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[Real Alan]

What is your suggestion?:

Buff Nightmare & Phosani Nightmare Drop Rates

Especially for orbs

 

Why?

There is a major orb supply deficit here on Alora

 

Evidence:

Orb prices on Alora are ridiculously high

 

 

 

 

Plus there are very few orb listings on TP (1 currently for max cash)

 

 

What does this all mean?

There is a major orb supply deficit here on Alora

 

 

Is this problem in OSRS?:

No, OSRS does not have the same orb supply deficit

 

Take a look at the prices of orbs on OSRS

 

 

On OSRS, each orb is under 420m

 

Meanwhile the best uniques for COX, TOB, TOA, and Corp are 1.6B, 1.6B, 1.1B, and 0.7B

 

 

So what does this mean?

Orbs are significantly more common on the OSRS game

They are just a fraction of the price of twisted bow, scythe, shadow, and elysian

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile on Alora, the price of orbs are nearly equal to that of a twisted bow

 

 

 

Meaning...

Orbs are not as accessible to players on Alora as on OSRS

This is a big problem

 

Has this suggestion been suggested already?:

Yes and supported by the community a billion times already

 

How would this benefit Alora?:

Alora is a RSPS

Nobody plays an RSPS to go dryer than OSRS

 

It's 2025 bro

If players have more drops doing nightmare on OSRS than on Alora, investing time into Alora is going to be far less appealing

This is part of the reason why OSRS league was so successful this year

 

Perhaps Alora could benefit too if they followed suit

What do you think? 

 

Leave a comment below

[Fiji]

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[Linkki]

No support because this isn't in OSRS.

[Real Alan]

OSRS has worlds 337 and 514 dedicated for Nightmare teams.

Alora does not.  Everyone just runs phosani.

This is why I think Alora could benefit from an additional drop rate boost at nightmare.

[Ben Linus]

No support because this isn't in OSRS.

[Variant]

I’d like to know how much of a buff you’re suggesting here? There was a time a few months ago nightmare items were dirt cheap on alora because majority of them are so niche or dead content on alora. The only reason items are priced high now is because players manipulated the item consumption device to their benefit, they would buy out all orbs and list them at crazy prices for the consumption device to buy out (the same happened with all nightmare items).

Since the item consumption device has been changed to focus on lower tier items, any extra influx of items from nightmare will more than likely start tanking prices again. They’re only expensive now because there aren’t many left, there aren’t many left because item consumption deleted them and no one wants to grind phosani for items that are dead content.

Also id like to add, if the suggestion is to buff the drop rate, you should post the current drop rate along with comparisons to osrs.

[H]

The OSRS orb/mega rare comparison is flawed.

On OSRS nightmare & pnm are botted to shit, and the items are used in like 1 or 2 places max, so the price continues to drop since there's no demand. On Alora nobody wants to kill nightmare, and nobody wants to buy items either, so the items are stuck in a weird spot.

 

Don't really see how dropping the drop rate will suddenly make people do the content. Perhaps alora-specific buffs are needed for these items first.

[Real Alan]

Also id like to add, if the suggestion is to buff the drop rate, you should post the current drop rate along with comparisons to osrs.

 

I would but I already did that 2 years ago and I'm too lazy to do it again in 2025 (here's the link) - see comments section for calculations

 

Most of the people that no support my suggestions aren't very good at math anyways

They no support because they hold grudges, act like bullies, and continue to demonstrate intolerance to opinions that differ from their own (despite claiming to have changed).

 

Just take a look at Linkki, Fiji, and Ben Linus from above

 

They're upset because I "no supported" their soulreaper axe suggestion and are no supporting my suggestion out of spite.

 

 

-Background -

They want to make the soulreaper axe easier to get for themselves -> so they proposed making the pieces tradeable (a feature that is not on OSRS)

They think this would increase the number of people doing DT2 bosses but really it would not.

How come?

Because under the current system, players are required do all 4 bosses and get all 4 pieces before cashing out by selling the soulreaper axe.

This motivates players to do ALL 4 of the bosses.

Without this feature, players could camp 1 boss that they like (eg: pet hunters) and profit by selling that boss's axe piece.

This would tank the price of the soulreaper axe for players who obtained it normally, the way it was intended on OSRS by doing ALL 4 of the DT2 bosses

Eventually the price of the soulreaper axe will become dependent on the limiting reagent (aka the boss that players least like to do - probably whisperer)

Meanwhile, the listings for the other 3 axe pieces will start flooding the TP.

Every new seller will lower their prices to outbid the pre-existing offers, driving the prices of the other 3 pieces down.

At the end of the day, only the piece from the least popular DT2 boss will hold any value, which will end up making DT2 bosses (as a whole) less popular.

If Linkki & Fiji's goal is really to make the soulreaper axe easier to get -> why not just suggest buffing the drop rates of the pieces?

I would 100% support that.  But instead, Linkki & Fiji want to cut corners. 

They only think about the short term benefits for themselves and fail to consider longer term implications.

Rather than try to understand opposing opinions and find common ground, they band together to bully others.

These are the people that lead Paragon cc btw - what does that tell you about their character and maturity level?  I'll let you guys be the judge.

 

 

The OSRS orb/mega rare comparison is flawed. On OSRS nightmare & pnm are botted to shit, and the items are used in like 1 or 2 places max, so the price continues to drop since there's no demand. On Alora nobody wants to kill nightmare, and nobody wants to buy items either, so the items are stuck in a weird spot.

 

 

So COX, TOB, TOA, and Corp are not botted to shit?  If they're all botted, doesn't that kinda cancel each other out?

Like 4 inches, 8 inches, 12 inches -> cancels out or scales to 1 inch, 2 inch, 3 inch

 

Also, on Alora there are certainly people who buy these items.  

People like To gain or yourself who are wealthy enough to use harmonized orb in the wild to hunt defenseless PVMers and build your long killstreaks

Are you perhaps trying to gate keep the predominantly iron/realism alora community from enjoying Alora content with nightmare powered staves?  

[Selenagomez]

No support because this isn't in OSRS.

[GIM KONG]

No support because this isn't in OSRS.

[Real Alan]

Ah yes.  You guys are late to the party.  I was wondering when you'd get here.

Welcome!  Thank you for the free publicity 

[Clappy]

I completely agree with the buffing of droprates on Nightmare. The droprates are obvoiously way to high for a RSPS and noone does the content because the reward isnt worth it for the amount of grinding.

 

Btw what are these "No support because this isn't in OSRS." bots doing in this post? Is it because you didnt agree on them with 1 thing and they come together like roaches trying to downvote your post? Very sad to see there are still a lot of people like this on Alora. They arent thinking about the longevity of the game but purely about their own butthurt ego's.

 

Big Support.

[H]

So COX, TOB, TOA, and Corp are not botted to shit?  If they're all botted, doesn't that kinda cancel each other out?

Like 4 inches, 8 inches, 12 inches -> cancels out or scales to 1 inch, 2 inch, 3 inch

 

They are, but they have best in slot items as rewards which makes that content enticing to do. People used to do nightmare too, but like 1-2 years after its release Jagex made all the rewards useless by releasing better alternatives

Inquisitor set -> Torva

Harmonised staff -> Tumeken's shadow(+ thralls)

Volatile staff -> Voidwaker

 

If someone would actually offer a suggestion that would make these items useful, then I'd be down to support both the item buffs & drop rate nerfs. Lowering the drop rate for the sake of lowering doesn't achieve anything.

 

Also, on Alora there are certainly people who buy these items.  

People like To gain or yourself who are wealthy enough to use harmonized orb in the wild to hunt defenseless PVMers and build your long killstreaks

 

Are you perhaps trying to gate keep the predominantly iron/realism alora community from enjoying Alora content with nightmare powered staves?  

 

You're either stuck selling the item for months, or stuck buying it for months since there's no supply.

And yeah I bought the staff, I've used it probably 3 times since then. It's horrible to use. Also, my account has 71 kills(+ pking sucks).

Buffing the drop rate won't make restricted accounts like ironmen suddenly go to nightmare all of a sudden. The gear and items will still be outclassed.

 

 

 

[gim crohn]

Support, had this been proposed by anyone else the responses would not be the same and we all know it.

Literally nobody enjoys doing phosani, no teams run normal NM either. Coming from arguably the biggest nightmare spoon in alora history this content needs a buff.

The idea that anyone would be expected to put in the current insane number of hours to complete NM log in a private server is absurd.

This game is an Ironman/gamble server let's keep it real - and no ironman is going to come grind 200+ hours to get lateral upgrades that's why there's none in the eco because most players have barely touched this content nonetheless farmed it to the point of having dupes to sell.

[Variant]

I would but I already did that 2 years ago and I'm too lazy to do it again in 2025 (here's the link) - see comments section for calculations
 
Most of the people that no support my suggestions aren't very good at math anyways
They no support because they hold grudges, act like bullies, and continue to demonstrate intolerance to opinions that differ from their own (despite claiming to have changed).
 
Just take a look at Linkki, Fiji, and Ben Linus from above
 



They're upset because I "no supported" their soulreaper axe suggestion and are no supporting my suggestion out of spite.
 

I don’t want to side track the conversation, but this is fucking stupid and forum staff really shouldn’t allow just trolling on post like this. Sure it’s fine to disagree and sometimes copying an earlier post makes the most sense to you, but this is fucking brain dead toxic behavior that’s going to ruin it for everyone else, legit 13 year olds are as mature as this. “Hey guys let’s all simultaneously copy what Alan said on my post, jajaja it’ll be so funny, yeah man we’ll show him”. Straight dog shit..

Anyways, to stay back on topic, I 100% agree on buffing nightmare drop rates for reasons that it’s a long ass grind for semi useless items. We can agree this is a majority Ironman server, and niche items like these shouldn’t be as rare as they are “just cuz”

[strudelle]

buffing the drop rates would be fair enought, nobody feel like wasting hours there to a boring boss that doesnt give any bis.

the only reason players ''sometimes'' kill this boss is when you are trying to finish the collection logs and its about the last boss you are missing drops.

 

support your suggestion, and pls mods do your job ! its annoying to have always the same haters declining decent suggestion mostly on the person who is writting it, not even declining the suggestion itself.

 

also weird, they are all in the same clan....copy and paste the same answer....almost posting on same time...? and its not the 1st time they act like this

[SCIM Tamber]

IMO there's too much that factors into the price of an item for that to be the argument for an update. Compare the drop rates on Alora vs OSRS and if the Alora rates don't include the standard buff (1.2x or 1.3x or w/e it is) then an update to fix makes total sense. If they do appear to have buffed drop rates but peoples actual rates differ significantly, then it should be reviewed.

 

I don't know enough about NM or the drop rates there (cba looking it up) so I'm neutral

[Scorn]

Support! The rates should definitely get looked into and buffed as this is a RSPS at the end of the day. I remember there was a random event to get a NM drop and it took hours for anyone to get the drop. Just goes to show how bad the rates are atm.

[Real Alex]

100% support because it isn't in OSRS.

[Julewicki]

Crazy how we can just copy and paste responses on here because we have Forum Moderators in our pockets, apparently? Nightmare is dead content, we buff everything else so I don't see a reason this shouldn't be buffed either. Half of y'all with the "No support because this isn't in OSRS." make suggestions of your own that aren't in OSRS, and also support other suggestions that aren't in OSRS. Grow up. With that said, support.