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[Mher]

What is my suggestion?

For us mobile PvMer’s, that want to solo raid, to not have to fear crashes or dc’s, and have to start over again.

I suggest, a “save”, after each boss kill, and when one crashes, dc’s, in other words, logs out, and then logs in, one continues from the last boss they killed.

Is this in OSRS?

No, but OSRS mobile doesn’t crash often either.

How would this benefit Alora?

More people would do solo raids on mobile, knowing they don’t have to worry about crashes and dc’s.

In case wondering, I use an iPhone 15, so the issue is not my phone.

The biggest issue is some white screen crash, and then it starts reloading the game, and by then its either “account already online”, or I have to log in and im outside raids.

I personally, now, can not do raids, solo, until this issue is fixed.

And while im suggesting anyway, apologies if already suggested, some mobile plugins to make PvM smoother, would be appreciated.

With smoother I mean the runelite plugins for raids for example, be a mobile plugin as well.

Cox and Tob is …”do-able” on mobile solo, but TOA, without the plugins, makes it alot more difficult, especially since we dont have the same ability to view the entire room, like pc users.

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Pretty sure this is if not the same as this suggestion.

https://www.alora.io...n-a-disconnect/

[Mher]

The one you linked means generally.

Mine is mobile specific, and crash specific in a sense, which leads to dc’s.

I know a thing or two about coding as well, my suggestion is perfectly do-able.

I was gonna suggest raids and inferno etc , to be different, for mobile players, but that would require accounts to be permanently mobile locked, which I don’t personally have an issue with, but some may.

And it would be a lot easier, coding wise, to change things to entire raids and inferno, when a mobile locked account plays the minigames,

And so on that note, now we have multiple solutions to this issue.

Alora could have the option, when making accounts, to make them permanently mobile locked, and from there, the game and functions would be a bit different for mobile players.

OR

The coding of raids would have to be, detect if the player entering is playing on mobile, and apply save to bosses, and respawn inside raids if one crashes etc, and continue the timer.

[Ruwk]

White screens and the game reloading seems like a mobile bug/technical issue more than it needing to be a suggestion. But hopefully it gets fixed.

[Mher]

Yes, but it would be 100x easier for the coder(s) of Alora to change server related codes, aka raids to be different for mobile, than try and fix mobile related bugs.

Especially iOS is very strict and limits what apps can do, allowance etc.

Hence the suggestion for raids mobile change

[Omicron]

@Mher When did the white page crash first start occurring for you? Is there any specific action that you are doing that triggers it?

[Mher]

@Omicron

Been happening since I started playing, and its random, but usually its when doing PvM, boss fights, slayer, I think once when thieving it happened also.
Theres actually 2 ways it crashes,

The first one crashes in a way, like when doing gwd, that once it reloads you can log back in, and you continue the boss fight lol, no idea how, it seems to logout regardless of being in combat.

The second , is that it will reload and say “account already online” for a few minutes, before it finally logs out and you can log in.

What pretty much happens, is the whole screen goes white for about 2 seconds, and then Alora reloads again.

The app doesnt close etc, it just reloads after the freeze.

I will be honest, if im doing any regular activity or instant boss fights, its not the end of the world.

But doing solo raids on mobile for more than an hour, or doing inferno on mobile, and then have to start all over again.

I read the thread about the mobile locked ironman tournament you had on, but the thread had no replies so im not sure if you went on with it or not, but having permanently mobile locked accounts would be really great to have.

And the simple solution would be code raids in a way where if its a mobile locked account entering solo, to have the raid timer pause when dc’ing and continue when logging in, and to save after each boss kill etc.

My suggestion is pretty fair also, because my grannies spirit can do raids on a pc with runelite plugins lol,

I choose to use mobile as I love challenges, but I also think we kind of deserve to continue where we left off after crashes, for raids.

It already requires alot more physical and mental effort, to do solo raids on mobile, so its not like we get any special treatment, and the way to prevent any potential abuse, is have it applied to perma mobile locked accounts.

Apologies for making the answer longer than what you ask, but just so its hopefully clear, the suggestion and solution to me, would be add the option for permanent mobile locked accounts, and then change the way raids timer and saves work, specifically for solo mobile locked accounts, not even teams.

And please dont allow group ironmen to be able to perma lock mobile.

Otherwise if you do decide to add my suggestion to the game, they will abuse it.

So solo only

[Omicron]

@Mher We are looking at ways to hold a Chambers session for a little while after a DC and put the player back where they were, we will probably only be able to hold the session for about 30 minutes though. It would not be for mobile-locked (or even mobile players) only, it will apply on desktop as well (unless you have a specific reason why I should not allow that).

 

Otherwise, please keep an eye out for specific causes of crashes on mobile, especially if you notice you crash in the same place or doing the same action over and over. The best solution here is to fix mobile crashes, and holding the raid for 30 minutes will be a fallback.

[Mher]

@Omicron

I think 30 minutes chambers session is a great idea.

I don’t have an issue with it being applied to desktop also, and coding wise it would be easier also.

I would however, still like to slightly push my suggestions for permanently mobile locked accounts.

Generally speaking, I can really only say this , and I am not bragging or anything here,

But on a pc, with the runelite plugins, is there really any PvM in the game thats “challenging”..?

Not really, and I mean no offense to anyone, but its really not challenging whatsoever.

For mobile though, lets take raids for example :

No ability to scout, we can’t see the room layouts, and that makes prepping a lot more difficult.

No plugins, which makes certain bosses like vanguards, that we cant skip beforehand because no scouting ability, require a lot more effort, especially as they are smaller because we play on small screens compared to desktop users.

With duo COX, me on mobile, other person on pc, he leads the raids, and we are at OLM in about 10-15 minutes MAX, and this is with elite void and nowhere near BIS weapons!

Solo mobile raids would take me, depending on rooms, well over an hour, with all the prepping.

Not to mention I play as ironman so no BIS gear just yet, and because its mobile ironman, getting BIS, becomes that much more difficult also.

I am not complaining, fyi, especially with the 30 minutes chambers fix, theres nothing I can say, its problem solved.

But its kind of weird, how theres realism mode and all that, but no permanently mobiled locked modes, and ofcourse it has to be ironman.

So for fairness sake, I personally think, if mobile locked ironman accounts become a thing, they either should :

Get the same plugins as desktop users.

Or, if not,

When doing certain PvM activities, have increased damage output, the bosses having slightly less health, increased pet drop rates.

Lets be real though, if someone solos raids, inferno, DT2, nex and other bosses, all on mobile, using their fingers,

Its a lot of effort, and honestly deserves the appropriate rewards, or atleast, have it slightly easier so we dont wear out.

I could suggest more, such as, items dropped by mobile locked accounts dissapear 2-3 seconds before they appear to everyone else, NOT be able to team up with others to do raids, nex, etc.

This would allow for increased drop rates to be added to such accounts also, but 100% block their ability to transfer it to a non mobile locked account and potentially ruin the economy.

[Omicron]

@Mher A few points:

 

1. Mobile locked ironman is already a legacy game mode (players who joined around our mobile release had access to these accounts), but we do not have plans of supporting them long-term or reinstating the ability to create one of these accounts (there are just a few players left with this game mode). It's not impossible for us to bring it back in the future, but ultimately we realized that it is very difficult to make sure that the player is actually playing on a mobile device (and not just using an Android emulator like Bluestacks) and playing with mouse/keyboard, so that will always be a concern. We also thought about reusing the mobile ironman icon in-game for players on all game modes who are simply on mobile devices, so other players can know who is/isn't on mobile at any given time, and maybe give them some grace when they are playing/typing because they are not on a PC. (Eg. you are in a raid with a player who is currently on mobile, so perhaps you expect less contribution from them)

 

2. Even if we did reinstate the mobile-locked mode, existing accounts (such as your ironman) would not be allowed to convert. It wouldn't make sense to allow existing accounts to play on a mode that is praised for it's mobile-only accomplishments.

 

3. Mobile plugins, although we are late on them, are coming out very soon and we will continue to expand on them to improve the mobile experience.

 

If you really want mobile-locked ironman to return, you should create a suggestion thread specifically for that, with a poll option so players can vote yes/no.

[Mher]

@Omicron

1. The issue with detecting if they are truly mobile or not, assumes that there would be benefits to such accounts over other accounts, such as increased drop rates, or increased damage outputs etc.

My suggestion to counter it, is to make sure, and this is pretty do-able coding wise, that those accounts simply have no way to transfer anything to the “real world”, of Alora, this includes teams for minigames, being pked, etc…

Using an Android emulator to pretend to be mobile would be pretty useless then, as ultimately using a pc with runelite is still king if all they want is to make bank, which already isnt too difficult.

EVEN IF, there were increased drop rates and damage output or less boss health on mobile, it wouldnt be more efficient than doing it on a pc. And the inability to get any loot out into potential alts or friends would kill the whole purpose of anyone using an emulator to pretend to be mobile.

Mobile ironman icon would be pretty nice to have yeah.

2.Not an issue at all, I would gladly start over again if mobile locked accounts were brought back.

3.I am very happy to read this, and really look forward to it, I can finally do TOA then with some raid plugins.

Overall, I understand your perspective, but having mobile locked accounts would simply allow room for much more things.

The wildy bosses for one, could be in a different area for mobile only, because if you are on mobile, any hybrid pker with decent gear will simply kill you easily, especially if they know what theyre doing.

Pc users have F keys and bigger screen so its pretty easy for them to anti pk, tank or get away.

Opening a poll I can do, but youd have to tell me what I can suggest to the people, like would certain bosses have less health for them? What is do-able, if you will.

And only a select few would read it here on the forum, so there would probably have to be in-game broadcasts or something to actually get people over here to vote.

I personally believe a lot of people would want it, but I definitely understand your perspective too.

I can test certain things if you’d like, for mobile features.

But the 30 minutes chambers session and plugins coming to mobile already made my day , awesome stuff man.