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[Real Alan]

What is your suggestion?:

Buff the dragonstone armour drop rate from the enhanced crystal chest (like how dusk mystic drop rate from brimstone keys was buffed)

 

Buff the drop rate of crystal shards from Prifdinas slayer

 

Is this in OSRS?:

No

 

Has this suggestion been accepted already?:

No

 

How would this benefit Alora?:

Quality of life

Game consistency (among Larren's, brimstone, and enhance crystal chests)

[H]

No support. You can buy hundreds/thousands of these keys and open them instantly compared to larran's keys/brimstone keys(I guess you can buy larran's but its very rare that someone has bulk of them for sale).

[Real Alan]

No support. You can buy hundreds/thousands of these keys and open them instantly compared to larran's keys/brimstone keys(I guess you can buy larran's but its very rare that someone has bulk of them for sale).

 

 

Can you elaborate on how you can buy hundreds/thousands of these keys?  You make it sound like it's super easy.

Crystal keys and crystal shards take significant time to collect just like brimstone and larren's keys.  

 

Consider: How many slayer monsters in priff would you have to kill to get 10 crystal shards for a single enhanced crystal key?

Test it out and let me know 

[H]

 

 

Can you elaborate on how you can buy hundreds/thousands of these keys?  You make it sound like it's super easy.

Crystal keys and crystal shards take significant time to collect just like brimstone and larren's keys.  

 

Consider: How many slayer monsters in priff would you have to kill to get 10 crystal shards for a single enhanced crystal key?

Test it out and let me know 

 

Buy enhanced teleport crystals/crystal armour seeds.

Turn them into crystal shards with the Amrod npc in Priffdinas.
Buy crystal keys from vote shop/slayer shop.

Put them together.

Spam open chests.

[Real Alan]

Buy enhanced teleport crystals/crystal armour seeds. Turn them into crystal shards with the Amrod npc in Priffdinas. Buy crystal keys from vote shop/slayer shop. Put them together. Spam open chests.

 

 

enhanced teleport seeds are 1/1000 pickpocket rate 

crystal armour seeds are 1/50 drop rate from gauntlet

 

if a pickpocket takes 3 seconds -> each enhanced teleport seed takes 50 minutes -> 150 shards / 50 min -> 3 shards / min

if a gauntlet takes 8 minutes -> each crystal armour seed takes 400 minutes -> 250 shards / 400 minutes -> 0.625 shards / min

 

So to purchase the hundred or thousand enhanced keys you're talking about -> what is the cost?  ->  if time is money, how much is the cost in time?

 

Doing thieving for enhanced crystal teleport seeds

100 keys = 1000 shards -> at 3 shards / min -> 5.55 hours (assuming you never fail a pickpocket)

1000 keys = 10,000 shads -> at 3 shards / min -> 55.55 hours

 

Doing gauntlet for crystal armour seeds

100 keys = 1000 shards -> 0.625 shards / min -> 26.66 hours

1000 keys = 10,000 shads -> 0.625 shards / min -> 260.66 hours

 

What's my point?  You're downplaying the work it take to obtain these enhanced crystal keys

Most of the server is playing ironman/realism where buying your way through is not an option.  

Just because you can buy enhanced keys in bulk does not mean the rate doesn't need to be adjusted.

 

The average RSPS player does not want to spend 55 hours of their life pickpocketing elves (that's an underestimate too).   

 

By the way, I didn't even factor in the time it would take to gather enough vote points/slayer points to purchase 1,000 crystal keys.  

[H]

enhanced teleport seeds are 1/1000 pickpocket rate 

crystal armour seeds are 1/50 drop rate from gauntlet

Incorrect. Teleport seeds are 1/750 because Alora uniques are boosted by 25%.

Crystal armour seeds are 1/35 based off of several sources.

 

Nobody does gauntlet for crystal shards anyways, so it taking like 40 hours for 1,000 keys from thieving is actually not that bad, especially considering that realism players are accustomed to longer grinds. You also get very good supplies from this chest so you're making a lot of your money back too.

 

I just don't see how this is an issue to be honest. The fact that "most of the server is playing realism(lol)/ironman" shouldn't result in us changing the drop rate of these items. You/ironmen decided to restrict yourselves, so you'll have to live with it.

Dusk mystic drop rates were changed to match dagon hai because;

1) If you wanted to achieve dusk mystic, you had to prepare to do 1,000 slayer tasks on a private server, which is very excessive.

2) These keys cannot be bought, so everyone is for themselves. Sure, larran's can be transferred between accounts, but nobody does that. 

[Real Alan]

Incorrect. Teleport seeds are 1/750 because Alora uniques are boosted by 25%. Crystal armour seeds are 1/35 based off of several sources.   Nobody does gauntlet for crystal shards anyways, so it taking like 40 hours for 1,000 keys from thieving is actually not that bad, especially considering that realism players are accustomed to longer grinds. You also get very good supplies from this chest so you're making a lot of your money back too.   I just don't see how this is an issue to be honest. The fact that "most of the server is playing realism(lol)/ironman" shouldn't result in us changing the drop rate of these items. You/ironmen decided to restrict yourselves, so you'll have to live with it. Dusk mystic drop rates were changed to match dagon hai because; 1) If you wanted to achieve dusk mystic, you had to prepare to do 1,000 slayer tasks on a private server, which is very excessive. 2) These keys cannot be bought, so everyone is for themselves. Sure, larran's can be transferred between accounts, but nobody does that. 

 

 

It's not an issue for you, but it is an issue for the majority of the playerbase.  

The average player does not want to spend their time opening 2,000 enhanced crystal keys like you.  

Also, regarding buy-ability -> just because it's buyable (yes/no) doesn't mean the drop rate is acceptable for the playerbase.

I suggest digging a little deeper past yes or no and considering the cost to buy in terms of time commitment and gp.

 

How much time commitment / GP do we want the people who play our game to invest into this reward?

If the investment exceeds the reward, the appeal of the game goes down.  

[H]

It's not an issue for you, but it is an issue for the majority of the playerbase.  

The average player does not want to spend their time opening 2,000 enhanced crystal keys like you.  

Also, regarding buy-ability -> just because it's buyable (yes/no) doesn't mean the drop rate is acceptable for the playerbase.

I suggest digging a little deeper past yes or no and considering the cost to buy in terms of time commitment and gp.

 

How much time commitment / GP do we want the people who play our game to invest into this reward?

If the investment exceeds the reward, the appeal of the game goes down.  

 

Majority of the player base? Nobody is opening these chests to achieve dragonstone armour so that they can wear it. It has the same stats of rune armour, it looks like shit, and the only people opening hundreds/thousands of these chests are collection log hunters.

The average player is not hunting for dragonstone armour from an elven crystal chest, because they have about a million other things they want to do before then. 

 

You're making it seem like this is some insane reward that every player needs/wants, when in reality it's only ever hunted by clog hunters of which there are not many. 

[Real Alan]

Majority of the player base? Nobody is opening these chests to achieve dragonstone armour so that they can wear it. It has the same stats of rune armour, it looks like shit, and the only people opening hundreds/thousands of these chests are collection log hunters. The average player is not hunting for dragonstone armour from an elven crystal chest, because they have about a million other things they want to do before then.    You're making it seem like this is some insane reward that every player needs/wants, when in reality it's only ever hunted by clog hunters of which there are not many. 

 

 

If the item sucks like (dag on hai robes and dusk mystic), then the time investment shouldn't be that high.  

Better items -> more time investment 

Shitty items -> less time investment 

 

Make the challenge a more reasonable grind -> then more players will enjoy the content

Besides, couldn't you argue that dusk mystic is only ever hunted by cloggers as well?  

Yet, we still made the decision to make drops more common.  How come?

Because the time investment versus payout wasn't lining up.  

Not simply because konar keys aren't tradeable.  

[Linkki]

No support the rate is fine as it is.

 

These suggestions scream that "I can't get something instantly now it needs to be buffed".

[Mhu]

As I saw @H reply with the log, it seems like everything is alright.

Thought I personally wouldn't mind to get a Vote book boost possibility in getting extra 10% for 30 minutes in getting Dragonstone armor piece from Elven chest.

[H]

If the item sucks like (dag on hai robes and dusk mystic), then the time investment shouldn't be that high.  

Better items -> more time investment 

Shitty items -> less time investment 

 

Make the challenge a more reasonable grind -> then more players will enjoy the content

Besides, couldn't you argue that dusk mystic is only ever hunted by cloggers as well?  

Yet, we still made the decision to make drops more common.  How come?

Because the time investment versus payout wasn't lining up.  

Not simply because konar keys aren't tradeable.  

 

In that case lets just make any non-bis item common then? E.g Dragon full helm, ancient wyvern visage, dragon metal lump/dragon metal slice and so on?

 

We made dusk mystic more common because completing the full set would require you to acquire 2,000 brimstone keys all by yourself. I did a bunch of barrage abby demon tasks recently and I was getting like 2 keys per task, so I'd need to do 1,000 tasks just to maybe log the full set which is obviously way too extreme for a private server. AND the fact that the suggestion thread poll had a 100% yes vote in favour of nerfing the drop rate. 

Dragonstone armour on the other hand can be completed in 40 hours(according to your math) if you're playing a restricted game mode and if you don't roll many dupes, and like ~5 hours if you're a normie and have some gp to spend.

So yeah, it's not really that big of a grind, AT MOST like 60 hours.

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Feel like we can make this thread have the most replies of any thread in forums history with the constant back and forth so this will be my last reply, sorry but no support.

[Real Alan]

Dragonstone armour on the other hand can be completed in 40 hours(according to your math) if you're playing a restricted game mode and if you don't roll many dupes, and like ~5 hours if you're a normie and have some gp to spend. So yeah, it's not really that big of a grind, AT MOST like 60 hours.

 

 

keep my math's name out your rucking mouth!  

my math didn't account for time it takes to get the crystal keys (via vote or slayer points)

my math didn't account for how many ticks a pickpocket is or stun duration

my math didn't account for failure rates in theiving

my math didn't account for rogue's outfit

my math didn't account for banking and healing

my math didn't account for time it would take to slay priff monsters for the shards required (something you completely disregarded)  - i still think crystal shards drop rate from slayer monsters in priff needs to be buffed

my point is my math is an underestimate.  40 hours?  yeah right... 

 

At the very least -> provide a # of hours you think is acceptable for a grind like this

Then the community can discuss whether that grind length is appropriate for a RSPS.

Furthermore, the collection log is something every player can take enjoyment in.

It's not something that only benefits a handful of players.  

 

As for the "Dragon full helm, ancient wyvern visage, dragon metal lump/dragon metal slice and so on"

Who cares if the rate is buffed.  More players get these items -> more players have fun -> more players donate to the server

Are you really going to be the guy complaining that the drop rate is too high?  

Who are you?  The guy who complains teachers aren't assigning enough homework over break?   

[VARlANT]

I don't support this suggestion. These are one of the few grinds that are noteworthy for a lot of players to do. The brimstone key loot for mystic was disgusting, but even for ironmen this grind isn't terribly long but it is something to passively work for when you run out of ideas on what you want to do next. I don't want all clogs to be easy scape

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