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[VARlANT]

From personal experience and feedback from a few players, they feel like ironman is a fun game mode, but 40x xp rate is too fast, but they don't want to play other ironman modes with lower xp rates due to the integrity being compromised of just being able to buy items.

 

What is your suggestion?:

Add an option for ironmen to choose a lower xp rate, my personal preference is the GIM rate of 6x base xp, but can be discussed. I don't think this needs to be a whole new game mode, considering we already have way too many in my opinion.

 

 

How would this benefit Alora?:

There wouldn't be any negatives other than some possible dev time, not sure how much would be needed but I would assume some copy paste scripting would be all it takes? It would give players a better challenge in ironman mode while also allowing them to experience end game content without 200m xp already in the skill, and make other skilling grinds more in depth than they currently are for ironmen.

 

Disclaimer: this in no way should have priority over other updates since it's more of a personal preference, and I wanted to come up with another way of doing this, but there's too many game modes already and if we voted on removing one I'm sure the ones who enjoy that game mode would riot in Falador. Or we just make any ironman mode with more than 1 player be considered a group ironman and get it over with.

[Not Shadow]

Play EIM/GIM as iif you want to play Ironman mode on lower xp rates ?

[VARlANT]

Play EIM/GIM as iif you want to play Ironman mode on lower xp rates ?

I and others have expressed it doesn't hit the same when everyone just buys things off those game modes, the integrity of it is ruined for most

[Formula One]

No Support

My personal opinion, this doesn’t make sense to me.

We have four Ironman modes that offer exp from 8x - 4x. If you’re truly more concerned about people making assumption about your account than actually playing the game, I guess a possible solution could just be making a team with your accounts only. Example GIM Variant 1, GIM Variant 2 etc.
Yes, that doesn’t solve the issue nor prove anything indefinitely but it’s an attempt.

End of the day I don’t believe other peoples judgements/assumption of the gamemode you’re playing should dictate how you play. Just do what you enjoy and that’s all.

[Ruwk]

I do support for the same reason your stating. To me it doesn't make sense to play EIM or GIM as solo because items can be bought or other people have partners so it just doesn't feel the same.

 

I've always wondered why Alora didnt just have less game modes, but more set XP modes for each game mode.

 

For instance, the game modes could be: Normal, Iron, UIM, HCIM, GIM.

With XP modes of: 30x, 10x, 3x.

 

This is the way most servers do it now days and truly gives players more options to play in a way they prefer.

 

Having "Classic" and "Realism" seems pointless when you could just have the same normie game mode with a different set XP. Same with EIM, I never understood what the point of Duo Iron is when we have GIM (although I do recognize that EIM came out before GIM). When it comes to ironman mode, 30x is far too fast for a lot of people, but nice for those that want to just focus on PvM as an iron. But 4x as EIM is drastically lower for those that feel 30x is too fast.

 

Though, it's far too late to make any changes in ways that I proposed in this reply. But I generally do support to add an normal ironman mode with 6-10x XP.

[Formula One]

 
Having "Classic" and "Realism" seems pointless when you could just have the same normie game mode with a different set XP. Same with EIM, I never understood what the point of Duo Iron is when we have GIM (although I do recognize that EIM came out before GIM). When it comes to ironman mode, 30x is far too fast for a lot of people, but nice for those that want to just focus on PvM as an iron. But 4x as EIM is drastically lower for those that feel 30x is too fast.
 

Classic was released years ago with the intention of what Realism is today. However the economy was so poor, we ended up merging with normie.
Few years later there was still a demand and realism was born.

EIM was the first to introduce partnership Ironmen. It was implemented back in 2017/18 iirc? Long before OSRS ever did and same goes for GIM that was released in 2019(?) it was done before OSRS.
Back then changing partners was extremely difficult if not impossible it through suggestion posts the community wanted that option.
Which leads us to today and how those game modes are viewed.

[VARlANT]

No Support

My personal opinion, this doesn’t make sense to me.

We have four Ironman modes that offer exp from 8x - 4x. If you’re truly more concerned about people making assumption about your account than actually playing the game, I guess a possible solution could just be making a team with your accounts only. Example GIM Variant 1, GIM Variant 2 etc.
Yes, that doesn’t solve the issue nor prove anything indefinitely but it’s an attempt.

End of the day I don’t believe other peoples judgements/assumption of the gamemode you’re playing should dictate how you play. Just do what you enjoy and that’s all.

I guess to me it's similar to saying why even have an ironman mode if they can just make normies and not trade, it doesn't hit the same when you know it can be easily seen as not legit. I feel like there's too many unique game modes with xp rates spread across and locked per mode, instead of just allowing people to pick their xp rates and play the game mode they want.

[Formula One]

I guess to me it's similar to saying why even have an ironman mode if they can just make normies and not trade, it doesn't hit the same when you know it can be easily seen as not legit. I feel like there's too many unique game modes with xp rates spread across and locked per mode, instead of just allowing people to pick their xp rates and play the game mode they want.

Completely understand your intention, HCIM was the perfect balance for my enjoyment in regards to exp until Vorkath deleted me.
Though I don’t think this is the end-all solution.

I feel like it’ll create more separation between 40x Grey Helms and 6x Grey Helms. Then there’s always the debate on Donor ranks and their benefits.

[VARlANT]

Completely understand your intention, HCIM was the perfect balance for my enjoyment in regards to exp until Vorkath deleted me.
Though I don’t think this is the end-all solution.

I feel like it’ll create more separation between 40x Grey Helms and 6x Grey Helms. Then there’s always the debate on Donor ranks and their benefits.

Honestly I was trying to brainstorm ways of working with our current setup, since i still strongly believe there's too many game modes, and this was one solution I had. The other was just allowing players to pick their game mode and then pick their xp rates, this would basically remove/merge gim and eim, and potentially remove classic since it would just be normie with a different rate with realism being untouched since it's still a separate eco

[araxaphobia]

no support. ironman modes are designed to be self sufficient game modes for personal achievements, not comparing yourself to others. if people are demoralized because you can buy items on certain modes then that is a personal issue those players need to overcome and not have game systems changed to accomodate them. also, correct me if im wrong as i may well be, but havnt you actively bought Gim items and are now arguing that it compromises the integrity of the mode?

[VARlANT]

no support. ironman modes are designed to be self sufficient game modes for personal achievements, not comparing yourself to others. if people are demoralized because you can buy items on certain modes then that is a personal issue those players need to overcome and not have game systems changed to accomodate them. also, correct me if im wrong as i may well be, but havnt you actively bought Gim items and are now arguing that it compromises the integrity of the mode?

comparing ourselves to others is literally what 99% of the alora/osrs community does and is literally why highscores are a thing, so that argument is kind of invalid. Not to mention it's your personal opinion that we shouldn't compare ourselves, and our achievements, to others on a game where achievements are literally everything people play for.

 

its not only demoralizing, it ruins the integrity of the game mode which it wasn't intended to do, Jagex fixed this by creating non ranked group accounts with ugly green helms.

 

You are correct I have a fully maxed gim bank, and a large majority of it was bought from other players, which is why I know it isn't the same as you explained a 'self sufficient game mode' and why I would like the same xp rate experience playing a game mode that has the integrity of a self sufficient game mode, and I have spoken with others who have felt the same and hopefully voice their opinion on this suggestion as well.

[Selenagomez]

I'm just going to say no support because, if you really care about the xp rate then someone saying "haha you probably bought your items" isnt going to be a big deal to you, simply ignore them or tell them you didnt? either way you will know you didnt so what does it matter.

[Mhu]

I agree to the suggestion.

Personally I quit my GIM account due to knowing that other GIM's can buy items from other people, not like regular Ironman account where everything is must be obtained yourself, lower EXP rates Ironman would be perfect, without any partners.

[Defiler]

Support, The whole point of Ironman is to show you earned everything by yourself, EIM and GIM even if you are solo throughout doesn't prove anything to other players. And obviously this GIM trading meme going on isn't helping the case. Currently our only "true" low exp mode SOLO ironman is HC, Why not just add another ironman mode with the same exp rate, maybe then people will continue to play HC after death.

[OzyNaMdies]

Buying items on GIM and EIM should've been a bannable offense in the first place.

Changing XP rates sounds good, but I believe there are too many things to be added and fixed as it stands.
Support, if it's not set as a priority.