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[Skribble]

I'll start off saying I was given a warning by "Amica" because of the events unfolded explained next;

 

I was at a lava dragon task on my EIM, I had been seen by a pker "Ivar Bonless", I keep the gate closed so anyone that comes without bounty tp, I can see. He stands there for a while, I say in chat "pls no" he waits a few minutes, then runs to the gate, opens it and attempts to attack me, I log out. I stayed logged out for the next 40 minutes watching youtube, I logged back in, all was good I carried on with my task. no more than 3 kills later, he comes back, again, he comes running through the gate, I get the log out again. I wait another 20 minutes, log back in, continue my task. He comes back again after another 2-3 kills, this time he kills me as I'm caught off guard tabbed out, so I can't log out in time. I say cool. I log on another account, and gear it up in purely bought shop welfare gear as I haven't pked in about 10 years. (I cannot defend myself on my iron account when I'm geared up for slayer, it is impossible, I have no gear I have no levels, at this point I'm being ragged off of my task.) I take my EIM and alt back to lava dragons, continuing my task. 

Again, this "pker" as they're supposedly called, I prefer the term "pvm killer" but it is what it is, comes back. The very second he see's my alt geared up to fight back, he turns and runs away, my EIM does not interact at all with either of these accounts, it is completely afk stood still while I begin to chase on my alt out of lava dragons. I catch a freeze on him and tab out to log my EIM out, I am now only logged in onto one account, with some incredibly bad pking from my part, I somehow managed to kill the other guy, in what world he loses to me I don't know, but he did. Now I'm told I deserve to be punished for this as it's rule breaking.

 

So this is my feedback based on this situation, I want to play my EIM, I understand that pking and risk of dying is part of the wilderness and I happily accept that, I've been killed plenty of times with no problem, but when I am being constantly ragged off of an area by one player, who's not even my target by the way, he is 100% clearly targeting my EIM because I cannot fight back (heavily under leveled, and geared for pvm.) for free kills farming, now I have two options, either I don't play with my chosen activity for the rest of the day (Being bonus slayer points day, I want to do slayer without cancelling my task, I might not have points.) or I feed him free kills repeatedly giving him free pkp/emblem upgrades whatever, which is essentially rule breaking as I am purposely dying to him to do my task no? I don't believe this should break the multi logging rule, as I was solo at lava dragons on my EIM 4 times in a row for the same "pker" he had 4 opportunities to kill my iron man 1 on 1, then I turn the odds to be even after he's had 4 free chances with no possible death for him, by bringing an account that can actually attempt to fight back. He see's this account and runs away, which again, clearly shows he's only hunting my iron man for the free kills, he is not "pking" he's "pvm killing" (farming free pkp and loot with no risk involved.) 

I believe this rule is not good for the pking community as I, a bad pker, would make for entertainment for other actual pkers if I was allowed to defend myself. I can't be the only one that views "pking" to be boring when you're just hitting a punching bag until it falls over, I'm sure other pkers would enjoy an actual fight, which I can't do if I'm playing on my iron man being ragged off my task. Idk. Just feel like the rule could be improved. I know it won't be, but just wanted to share my story, hopefully some actual pkers will start killing the pvm killers so we don't have to break rules to actually give "pkers" risk in the wilderness. 

 

Either way, I got a warning fair enough, bit salty about getting the warning but I won't do it again, guess I'll just have to miss out on the bonus slayer points for now.

[Iron Bagrov]

Yeah, you did the right thing here. And multi-logging is totally legal on OSRS so why should it be against the rules on here? Especially if you're just using it to get some loser off of your EIM who's just trying to slay. If he killed you once and left you alone, then that's fair game, but him coming back over and over to try to farm off you is against the rules so how were you in the wrong for this? I don't see it.

[Skribble]

Yeah, you did the right thing here. And multi-logging is totally legal on OSRS so why should it be against the rules on here? Especially if you're just using it to get some loser off of your EIM who's just trying to slay. If he killed you once and left you alone, then that's fair game, but him coming back over and over to try to farm off you is against the rules so how were you in the wrong for this? I don't see it.

Thanks for the reply, unfortunately I do have to agree that according to the ::rules, I was infact against the rules. But this is why I made the post, in hopes the rule might get changed around a bit, albeit, would be hard to enforce or see that it's being used properly. I would like something added on so that after a pker has had a few attempts at killing you one on one, you should be allowed to defend yourself on an alt, if you cannot defend yourself on your main account. But this is where it gets tricky, as if I had the gear and levels, I would be perfectly happy to defend myself on my iron, although it would be a lot harder as I'd be carrying pvm and pk gear, it's still more chance than the literal 0 I currently have at surviving a pker attack. I'm not sure exactly how the rule could be changed, which is my reasoning for posting all of this in the feedback section rather than making a suggestion, I just hope this is read with an open mind by people looking at it from every side, I have both been a full pker, and pvmer in multiple rsps in the past, I haven't pked in many years and as far as I can tell, the pk scene is pretty much turned into the pvm killing scene. 

Incentive for actual pker vs pker action would be good, the current only incentive I can see is the shutdown system, which in my opinion just isn't good enough. The free streaks pvm killers can farm from hunting a highly iron man populated server is insane. Maybe changed could be made to rewards from killing people with certain risk, I.E; You kill someone with low BH risk, you get 25% of the reward you would get from killing someone with high BH risk, just an example so you get the idea I'm going for here. (Not that this was even a situation regarding BH, but just more incentive for pker vs pker, would be nice for both the pk community and iron man community as I enjoy doing both.)

[Ivy]

Very interesting,

If he kills you fair, Completely fair enough. But repeatedly coming back and trying to kill you, I personally see that as ragging in some sort. But they're my opinions.

Unfortunate for your situation, There are a few rules you may not know of but its always a good idea to check them when you first join up, just to be sure you don't get a warning.

Goodluck on the slayer grind. No animosity from me.

[Zachhh]

Trying to farm an elite IM is so stupid tbh.  I don't blame you for what you did at all, even though you broke a rule, I commend you for your efforts. Best of luck!

[Sareh]

Interesting to post here. I was in the CC with you when this occurred.

While I do fully see your point, and his actions were tryhard, at the end of the day the wilderness is the wilderness be prepared to be attacked and if not don't go.

You know the risks, crossing the ditch is basically accepting the acknowledgement, regardless of tryhards.

[Skribble]

Interesting to post here. I was in the CC with you when this occurred.

While I do fully see your point, and his actions were tryhard, at the end of the day the wilderness is the wilderness be prepared to be attacked and if not don't go.

You know the risks, crossing the ditch is basically accepting the acknowledgement, regardless of tryhards.

But this is literally my point, I am well aware of the risks of a single world wilderness, and I am very much so prepared to be attacked, by having an alt that I can actually fight on. This is being prepared, but it breaks the rules if I use it in a certain way, but I can bypass the rule with a technical loophole which is then allowed, it doesn't make sense. 

 

Basically I was told, if I have my alt logged in somewhere else in the wilderness, multi logging is fine. But if it's near my other account, it's not fine. So I am not allowed to be near myself to protect it, now going by my situation explained at the start, I got the logout to escape multiple times, so regardless if my alt was there or not, I escape, right? So now why does it matter if my alt is at KBD entrance or Lavas, I can get to the pker regardless of which location I am at to attack him once my EIM is logged out, because combat interaction has not occurred, therefore I am not "protecting" or "pjing" him off my Iron. So now if I'm logged in right next to my alt, and I log my iron out before he starts attacking, then attack him on my reg, it's against the rules, yet it's an identical situation of interactions. If both accounts I am logged into at once do not interact, I don't see why it's a problem, my reg is not assisting my iron, it's just there idle. My iron does not assist my reg in pking, it's just there, idle or logged out. I do not have 4 hands, I am not playing both accounts, I am not 2v1'ing a pvm killer.

The wilderness was built based on having the option of multiple worlds, we do not have that option in an rsps which is why the wild does not work as intended or in an efficient/proper way. Wilderness is a lot harder to balance in an rsps, especially when you have a BH system you can't opt out of, I feel big changes should be made to make everything better for all pkers, pvm killer and pvmers alike. I am not against what happened to me, I am against that I am not allowed to do what I did, why is it ok for him to deny my access to part of the game and I am not allowed to do anything about it? That's just not right.

Personally I believe an immense amount of improvements could be made to improve the wilderness for all. Just my opinion, everyone should have fair access to all the games activities and resources. It's a game.