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[Paradoxy]

What is your suggestion?: To change the veteran rank requirements, or rework them. 

 

Is this in OSRS?: No.

 

Has this suggestion been accepted already?: No.

 

How would this benefit Alora?:  Currently, the Veteran rank isn't really a Veteran rank. The playtime requirements are kinda stupid seeing as you can just afk in-game and the forums for the 50d playtime, making it available for almost anyone to get. That isn't a what a " Veteran " is.

 

Alternatively, an anti-afk system could be added to make it so once you're idle in-game for a certain amount of time, you'd quit gaining in-game time until you moved again.

 

But, in my opinion, the playtime requirements for it should be reworked or removed altogether.

 

A veteran is a person who has had long service or experience in a particular occupation, not someone who joined a couple months ago and has afked their playtime.

[My Love]

I agree, but this is a very hard discussion. I can live with the 50 days ingame, allthough i agree there should be anti-afk. The 50 days forum is just plain stupid, the forums are not nearly active enough to actually activly get 50 days on here. So what happens? people afk it... Whats the point then. 

The main problem is: veteran is either something behind requerements, which makes people grind for it, or its subjective, which would make things very complicated. 

 

For now: if anyone can come up with some better requirements, im all for it, because i agree, afking is not the best vet worthy thing. BUT: making veteran a rank given by staff or anyone for that matter should never happen, since this will then become a popularity rank.

[Zach McCoy]

I agree with this idea, all around a good idea. Keep the playtime the same but remove the afk time-adding. I see many accounts that just stand in edgeville to gain time.

[Endeavor]

Between this account and Wreckage, I have roughly 96d of forum time and admittedly, I have spent a shit ton of time on here, not exactly the full 96d. Between my accounts, I don't quite meet the 50 hours of playtime on 1 of them but I've been around and involved during my active time (not working). I have been working towards Veteran and it's a tough accomplishment when IRL gets in the way. I definitely would like a way for even forum loyalists to feel the appreciation. I don't think I necessarily "deserve" it but I think finding a way to allow Veteran status for both in-game and forum members would be appropriate. 

 

Edit: Since this is a suggestion, I support a review and change to Veteran requirements.

[22]

I understand your point of reworking on the requirements. However, I do not think it is that necessary neither do I think having an old join-date makes worth of the rank and people view the rank differently. I don't mind, if someone who has been around for a while and has contributed to the community and doesn't meet all the requirements, but still has the rank. I can see bunch people who registered 2016 automatically thinking they should have the rank when in fact they have been inactive either for months or years, so I think the current requirements for the rank aren't that bad actually.

[Paradoxy]

 

I understand your point of reworking on the requirements. However, I do not think it is that necessary neither do I think having an old join-date makes worth of the rank and people view the rank differently. I don't mind, if someone who has been around for a while and has contributed to the community and doesn't meet all the requirements, but still has the rank. I can see bunch people who registered 2016 automatically thinking they should have the rank when in fact they have been inactive either for months or years, so I think the current requirements for the rank aren't that bad actually.

 

Not all of the requirements are bad, I'm implying that the playtime part is bad. Refer to @Endeavor's post for an example.

 

Edit: A short explanation to why I say refer to his; a player can be extremely active, and contributing to the forums, and have a legit 50 day playtime for Veteran, vs someone who just afks the forums/in-game to up their playtime so that they can qualify for Veteran.

 

@My Love also made a great point on the forums time being a bad idea as well, not a lot of people are forum-active players. The forums aren't for everyone and can exempt loyal players with the in-game time because they don't use the forums.

[22]

Not all of the requirements are bad, I'm implying that the playtime part is bad. Refer to @Endeavor's post for an example.

 But if you remove those requirement for the rank you need to add new requirements, which would be hard to come up with. I think the playtime requirement is there mainly only, because it could show that you actually have been doing something in-game & forums and not on expecting the rank because of either old join-date or some other reason(s). I am all for it, if someone can actually come up with decent idea for the requirements.

[INeedHealing]

I support anti afk system.

[Sassa fras]

The only requirement I'd like to see changed is the forums time, I feel like it has no bearing on whether someone should qualify as a Vet or not. Many players that have not had the forums time have already been given Veteran status by staff anyway, so why should it still be a requirement? The 250 post count usually says enough about your forums activity.

[Paradoxy]

 But if you remove those requirement for the rank you need to add new requirements, which would be hard to come up with. I think the playtime requirement is there mainly only, because it could show that you actually have been doing something in-game & forums and not on expecting the rank because of either old join-date or some other reason(s). I am all for it, if someone can actually come up with decent idea for the requirements.

While I semi-agree with this, playtime can't really be a highly reliable source right now seeing as it is indeed afkable.

 

As for players expecting the rank because of an old join-date, I don't disagree, but the concept of a " Veteran " is normally someone who is an older member of a community, so I don't think people are in the wrong for expecting the rank if they played @ release. Also, if you wanted to have something shown of how active people are in-game, and the forums, try seeing how actively people are reporting rule breakers, bugs, as well as players suggesting things to improve Alora. Post count can say a good bit, but it's pretty easy to post enough without getting flagged for farming.

 

The only requirement I'd like to see changed is the forums time, I feel like it has no bearing on whether someone should qualify as a Vet or not. Many players that have not had the forums time have already been given Veteran status by staff anyway, so why should it still be a requirement? The 250 post count usually says enough about your forums activity.

I agree on the forums time completely, as for the post count saying enough about forums activity; refer to what I mentioned above.

[Tungus]

Personally. Veteran should be players who've joined the forums within the years of 2016. 

[My Love]

I wasnt reffering to the fact that some players are simply not forum addicts, i was reffering to something else: This forum is simply not big enough to realisticly get 50 days time on activly. Even if you read every single post on here, every single day of the week, and reply to atleast half of em, you'd get around 25 days of time in a year, and thats generous.
I read every single post on this forum and that takes me less than 1 hour a day on here. The 50 day req is litterly asking us to leave open our forums for however long we can....? What....?

 

I agree with sass on the forum part, maybe make it 50 days ingame time, 250 forum post count (easy to boost quick but thats very easy to tell) or whatever post count is deemed good, account atleast x old (id say a year). 

Last thing: kaamea you seem to think we want these requirements changed so we can get it quicker. Sure some people work that way, but please dont assume this as you dont know this. I genuinly think the vet rank is worthless and says nothing about the player right now, and to me, thats not what a vet rank should be. Im trying to improve the server here, not my own rank. 

 

 

 

Personally. Veteran should be players who've joined the forums within the years of 2016. 

Please no. I agree with kaamea here, says nothing about the person. 

[INeedHealing]

I wasnt reffering to the fact that some players are simply not forum addicts, i was reffering to something else: This forum is simply not big enough to realisticly get 50 days time on activly. Even if you read every single post on here, every single day of the week, and reply to atleast half of em, you'd get around 25 days of time in a year, and thats generous.
I read every single post on this forum and that takes me less than 1 hour a day on here. The 50 day req is litterly asking us to leave open our forums for however long we can....? What....?

 

I agree with sass on the forum part, maybe make it 50 days ingame time, 250 forum post count (easy to boost quick but thats very easy to tell) or whatever post count is deemed good, account atleast x old (id say a year). 

Last thing: kaamea you seem to think we want these requirements changed so we can get it quicker. Sure some people work that way, but please dont assume this as you dont know this. I genuinly think the vet rank is worthless and says nothing about the player right now, and to me, thats not what a vet rank should be. Im trying to improve the server here, not my own rank. 

 

 

 

Please no. I agree with kaamea here, says nothing about the person. 

I personally believe any forum requirement would be in the wrong for a Veteran rank, simply because forums are not for everyone. On top of that there are various methods of browsing the forums and whilst some people may enjoy going through each and every new thread and trying their best to come up with something to contribute to the discussion, others will simply hop on once a day to see if there are any new threads with titles that caught their attention. At the end of the day it's about who played the game since the early days, not who's most active on forums. The forums are only a tool for the game's players; it shouldn't be a factor in a player's in-game status.

[Classic Kin]

Why don't we have a mixture for Veteran status (if that's not already the case)?

 

20 hours In-game time

20 hours forum time

 

That way they can be shown they've put time into the server and on the forums perhaps? Granted, yes I believe an afk checker would probably have to be put in place which isn't in all honesty that difficult to do either.

[Morgen]

Honestly this debate has really intrigued me, now I've been here a little while now and I barely use the fourms, I just can't be bothered to sit afk on it and refresh it all day just for time on fourms, I prefer ingame so it will probably take me a few years to get the forum time not gonna lie, I would love to see a change in the fourm time so I have a chance of vet. I support the idea of an anti afk aswell

[Shamrock]

I think the in-game reqs are fine its supposed to be a challenge and something you get over a long period of time. the forum reqs need to be reworked.. In my opinion. it kinda just wants you to in a way spam and post on every topic and have to afk to get the time... it really doesn't make sense. or have anything to do with being a vet. I personly like many others have got the game reqs are well known been respectable members of Alora but have given up on vet rank.. I am sure many others like me just read topics and really don't have much to say about some topics but you have to....

[Paradoxy]

Why don't we have a mixture for Veteran status (if that's not already the case)?

 

20 hours In-game time

20 hours forum time

 

That way they can be shown they've put time into the server and on the forums perhaps? Granted, yes I believe an afk checker would probably have to be put in place which isn't in all honesty that difficult to do either.

 

It doesn't seem like you know the current veteran rank requirements, take a peek here https://www.alora.io...e-veteran-rank/ and feel free to edit your post if that helps you understand the reason of the suggestion more.

Honestly this debate has really intrigued me, now I've been here a little while now and I barely use the fourms, I just can't be bothered to sit afk on it and refresh it all day just for time on fourms, I prefer ingame so it will probably take me a few years to get the forum time not gonna lie, I would love to see a change in the fourm time so I have a chance of vet. I support the idea of an anti afk aswell

Forum time indeed doesn't really make sense, the only thing the forums may show is the date that you joined, or as I suggested above; how active you are reporting bugs, posting suggestions, and other various things on the forums.

 

I think the in-game reqs are fine its supposed to be a challenge and something you get over a long period of time. the forum reqs need to be reworked.. In my opinion. it kinda just wants you to in a way spam and post on every topic and have to afk to get the time... it really doesn't make sense. or have anything to do with being a vet. I personly like many others have got the game reqs are well known been respectable members of Alora but have given up on vet rank.. I am sure many others like me just read topics and really don't have much to say about some topics but you have to....

I don't entirely disagree that it should be a challenge, but that's not what a veteran of a server is. If you wanted a rank to be a challenge, then it should be a different name than veteran.

[Classic Kin]

Interesting, alright. 

 

Well it seems like it's quite the rarity to find as I myself have forgotten my oldest account on here.

 

To add or remove things is probably more say up to those who have been here the longest or know more about the server and how it's come to be.

 

Being a Veteran does mean that you've served your time granted Afk'd time doesn't mean you've served anything. That's like sitting in a barracks in the middle of war doing absolutely nothing for 2 years. Can't really call that serving imo.

[22]

I think people seem to think, because you have joined on the release date means automatically that you are a veteran, but I highly disagree, because of the people who determine it that way has left the server for a year/month(s) and then returned and expect getting the rank and actually has not shown anything that they deserve the rank and when their request is declined. There is a huge complain about the rank and how it is useless to have playtime requirement(s). Anyone can have account which is registered 2016 and did play a little bit, but that doesn't mean they are veteran. That's my 0.002 cents.

[Horror]

Support for an AFK checker system and switching the requirements around. I'd suggest keeping the playtime, lessening the forums time but adding a requirement that the player in question needs to be an actually large figure in the community ("large" would be at staff's discretion of course.). Players like me, Inferno, Hot Cakes, Elsa, Extremedanny, 40a, Mewtwo etc.. are all well known in the community for what we do and I feel all deserve our ranks. I don't know how I'd feel about someone AFKing forums for 50 days, doing slayer for 50 days straight and not interacting with the community getting it though.