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Posted 19 November 2018 - 04:19 PM #661

OneFalseStep
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Account Name (IGN) - OneFalseStep
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/A
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A
 
What rank are you applying for? -  Banana
 
What are your strengths? -  I'm a grinder, but im a good teammate, and enjoy just chilling in the company of good people
 
What are your weaknesses? - wont be as active as most on weekends with work and also not the best pvmer but willing to learn
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I feel like I will be a good member of the clan, i'll be an active participant in the chat, in events and activities.


Posted 20 November 2018 - 01:20 AM #662

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What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - Corporal

When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - November 4th

What rank are you applying for? - Sergeant

What are your strengths? - pking, server knowledge gained from playing and maxing/near-maxing every game mode on Alora


What are your weaknesses? - I wish I could garantee daily activity, but due to my work schedule that’s not always possible for me.

In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - ICE is the first clan I’ve joined since starting Alora in late 2016, and I couldn’t be happier with my decision, I love our subcomminity and only wish to see it grow and thrive, and I try to assure that by advertising for our clan and also guiding new players to our ever growing community.

Sincerely, Rune Coon
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Posted 22 November 2018 - 09:41 AM #663

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Account Name (IGN) - Steel Nogan

What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - i used to be a corporal or sergeant (not sure) a few months ago

When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - a few months ago

What rank are you applying for? - Im reapplying for recruit

What are your strengths? - i know when theres the need to get serious, ive also been a coowner in another clan, so i have experience in leading

What are your weaknesses? - currently not having internet in my new apartment lol, i can play for atleast 1-2 hours a day (usually go in a cafe and connect to the internet to play), im working on a contract so i hope ill have internet sometime next week.

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Posted 22 November 2018 - 09:58 AM #664

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Account Name (IGN) - Iron Heff

 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - n/a
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - October 16th
 
What rank are you applying for? -  recruit
 
What are your strengths? - Pvming, game knowledge 200 iq ofc, and reg
 
What are your weaknesses? - pvp 
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - Because I'm an active member of ICE and have been in the clan for quite some time now and have been making monster gains on my iron thanks to everyone in the clans help with this being my first ever iron account 


Posted 22 November 2018 - 11:43 AM #665

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Account Name (IGN) -  Dxzi
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) -  recruit 
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - 2 weeks ago.
 
What rank are you applying for? -  Corporal
 
What are your strengths? - Good base knowledge of the game now, helpful, friendly and love to participate with other clan members.
 
What are your weaknesses? - My weaknesses; Can't play online as much as i'd like to.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I feel i deserve the rank up because i always help the cc (the cc which i absolutely love) i'm a good laugh, helpful and always happy to point the new players in the right direction and i have also recruited a couple members into ice myself.


Posted 23 November 2018 - 04:44 AM #666

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Account Name (IGN) - EIM Django
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/A
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A
 
What rank are you applying for? - Recruit (One Banana lol)
 
What are your strengths? - Fast Learner, Dedication, Helpful and Friendly.
 
What are your weaknesses? - College Exams and PKers.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - 
I believe I'm quite helpful in the cc most of the time, and I'm in the cc 100% of the time i'm online for, which seems to be at least 4+ hours a day but upwards of over 10 hours a day.  I believe that efforts should be rewarded, and as such I'm applying for the first rank up from entry-level.  If anything I feel I deserve the promotion because I do try my best to help people, and I don't add to toxicity in the cc/server. 
 
Thanks for your consideration!

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Posted 24 November 2018 - 09:30 AM #667

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Account Name (IGN) - Caspercutie
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/A
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A
 
What rank are you applying for? - Banana :)
 
What are your strengths? - I'm all about helping anyone that needs it and I absolutely love the grind!
 
What are your weaknesses? - Farming :( </3
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I'm new to Alora and just looking to meet some friends that are mutually as interested in the game/grind as I am. :) thanks for the time.


Posted 26 November 2018 - 10:53 PM #668

Thanks Mom
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Account Name (IGN) - Thanks Mom
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/a
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) -  N/a
 
What rank are you applying for? - I'm easy, just want to support the boys. ideally something community based.   
 
What are your strengths? - Beening easy going, understanding and friendly 
 
What are your weaknesses? - Unable to spell.
 
Hi, 
my name is william,
I'm 21 years old living in London. Most the time i'm away working on boats but as of late in my spare time I've been playing alora.
There's really not much to say about me, other than i'm just here for a good time and to give others a helping hand. 
Also Hastag ICE?


Posted 27 November 2018 - 01:42 PM #669

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Awh, but the memes?! :) Alrighty, here you go :D

 

Account Name (IGN) - Mhmmmmm
 
What rank are you applying for? - Recruit/First Rank
 
What are your strengths? - I can PvM. I'm playing a hcim so there's not much else I need as a strength I guess.
 
What are your weaknesses? - I guess death. Because then I'll have to make a new account.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - Because CLC. Was ranked in the old clan before ICE.

 

 

 

What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - Corporal

When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - November 4th

What rank are you applying for? - Sergeant

What are your strengths? - pking, server knowledge gained from playing and maxing/near-maxing every game mode on Alora


What are your weaknesses? - I wish I could garantee daily activity, but due to my work schedule that’s not always possible for me.

In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - ICE is the first clan I’ve joined since starting Alora in late 2016, and I couldn’t be happier with my decision, I love our subcomminity and only wish to see it grow and thrive, and I try to assure that by advertising for our clan and also guiding new players to our ever growing community.

Sincerely, Rune Coon

Unfortunately, your Application has been declined.

 

Do not be disheartened, definitely try again in the near future! Please message one of our Recruitment Managers if you wish to inquire as to why.


 

Account Name (IGN) - FrankerZ
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - Friend
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A
 
What rank are you applying for? - Recruit
 
What are your strengths? - I can pvm and help people out within the cc i was almost maxed hcim before i quit for a long time.
 
What are your weaknesses? - work will make me be on less but i will still find time to play. And people crashing me at bosses annoy the hell out of me :D Good thing for instances.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I've been hanging out in here since i started my account, i've been helping out alot in the clan chat and giving people tips on there elites. I play alot currently but starting work on wednesday so i will not be on the 12-13 hours + a day i'm on currently will most likely be around 5 hours a day until the weekends :)

 

 

 

 

Account Name (IGN) - OneFalseStep
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/A
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A
 
What rank are you applying for? -  Banana
 
What are your strengths? -  I'm a grinder, but im a good teammate, and enjoy just chilling in the company of good people
 
What are your weaknesses? - wont be as active as most on weekends with work and also not the best pvmer but willing to learn
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I feel like I will be a good member of the clan, i'll be an active participant in the chat, in events and activities.

 

 

 

Account Name (IGN) - Steel Nogan

What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - i used to be a corporal or sergeant (not sure) a few months ago

When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - a few months ago

What rank are you applying for? - Im reapplying for recruit

What are your strengths? - i know when theres the need to get serious, ive also been a coowner in another clan, so i have experience in leading

What are your weaknesses? - currently not having internet in my new apartment lol, i can play for atleast 1-2 hours a day (usually go in a cafe and connect to the internet to play), im working on a contract so i hope ill have internet sometime next week.

Congratulations!

Your Application has been accepted and you have been Promoted to Recruit.


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Posted 27 November 2018 - 01:49 PM #670

EIM Ninja
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Guys we really do appreciate the amount of applications lately, keep it up!

 

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Posted 27 November 2018 - 01:51 PM #671

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Account Name (IGN) -  Dxzi
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) -  recruit 
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - 2 weeks ago.
 
What rank are you applying for? -  Corporal
 
What are your strengths? - Good base knowledge of the game now, helpful, friendly and love to participate with other clan members.
 
What are your weaknesses? - My weaknesses; Can't play online as much as i'd like to.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I feel i deserve the rank up because i always help the cc (the cc which i absolutely love) i'm a good laugh, helpful and always happy to point the new players in the right direction and i have also recruited a couple members into ice myself.

 

Congratulations!

Your Application has been accepted and you have been Promoted to Corporal.


 

Account Name (IGN) - Thanks Mom
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/a
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) -  N/a
 
What rank are you applying for? - I'm easy, just want to support the boys. ideally something community based.   
 
What are your strengths? - Beening easy going, understanding and friendly 
 
What are your weaknesses? - Unable to spell.
 
Hi, 
my name is william,
I'm 21 years old living in London. Most the time i'm away working on boats but as of late in my spare time I've been playing alora.
There's really not much to say about me, other than i'm just here for a good time and to give others a helping hand. 
Also Hastag ICE?

 

 

 

 

Account Name (IGN) - Caspercutie
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/A
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A
 
What rank are you applying for? - Banana :)
 
What are your strengths? - I'm all about helping anyone that needs it and I absolutely love the grind!
 
What are your weaknesses? - Farming :( </3
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I'm new to Alora and just looking to meet some friends that are mutually as interested in the game/grind as I am. :) thanks for the time.

 

 

 

 

Account Name (IGN) - EIM Django
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/A
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A
 
What rank are you applying for? - Recruit (One Banana lol)
 
What are your strengths? - Fast Learner, Dedication, Helpful and Friendly.
 
What are your weaknesses? - College Exams and PKers.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - 
I believe I'm quite helpful in the cc most of the time, and I'm in the cc 100% of the time i'm online for, which seems to be at least 4+ hours a day but upwards of over 10 hours a day.  I believe that efforts should be rewarded, and as such I'm applying for the first rank up from entry-level.  If anything I feel I deserve the promotion because I do try my best to help people, and I don't add to toxicity in the cc/server. 
 
Thanks for your consideration!

 

 

 

 

Account Name (IGN) - Iron Heff

 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - n/a
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - October 16th
 
What rank are you applying for? -  recruit
 
What are your strengths? - Pvming, game knowledge 200 iq ofc, and reg
 
What are your weaknesses? - pvp 
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - Because I'm an active member of ICE and have been in the clan for quite some time now and have been making monster gains on my iron thanks to everyone in the clans help with this being my first ever iron account 

 

Congratulations!

Your Application has been accepted and you have been Promoted to Recruit.


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Posted 27 November 2018 - 07:16 PM #672

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Dunno if my Sergeant app got missed through the bunch as others before and after have had responses. Just wondering! Sorry if annoying to mention :P


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Posted 28 November 2018 - 03:20 AM #673

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Account Name (IGN) - Spanks
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - Corporal
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - November 3rd
 
What rank are you applying for? - Sergeant
 
What are your strengths? - I'm going to try my best to not rant this time, but I have good game knowledge, communication skills, I'm a positive person and empathy. I also like to help anyone I possibly can in ICE and I hope it is definitely showing.
 
What are your weaknesses? - As stated before, mainly my work schedule. As I work in retail and I work until midnight, it's hard to know when I'm on as sometimes I pass out straight after but I try to play before and after work. Other than that, I think I can care too much but I know my boundaries and as I am only a low rank in the clan chat, I will try to calm the situation but I will also let the higher ranks deal with certain situations.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - 
I have continued to advertise the cc as a friendly place that provides help, holds events and has a discord and that everyone is welcome (New, old or returning players) - I will continue to help players to the best of my ability and will also continue to learn. I want to help ICE continue to grow, it is my favourite place to be in Alora, I get along with everyone, and I just love the conversations we have!
 
Most importantly, I have found my place in ICE. I will be sticking around and as said before, I would like to work my way up in the ranks and help as much as I possibly can with the clan chat as well as the community.
 
Thanks for reading.

 

Congratulations!

Your Application has been accepted and you have been Promoted to Sergeant.

 

 

Account Name (IGN) - Miya
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/a
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/a
 
What rank are you applying for? - Recruit (1 Banana)
 
What are your strengths? - I'm active in game, like to turn all the white dots into purple dots whenever i can. I assist to my best abilities and learn from others in CC aswell.
 
What are your weaknesses? - Being fairly new i'm not confident in all questions and ask alot of questions my self. However i like to learn and listen to others to pass that knowledge as well.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. 
I started not too long ago and was always in alora cc until one day i saw the players ;;yelling join ice etc and i have never left since. The clan chat is amazing in terms of help, daily banters and usual chats about anything (which makes long grinds bearable). So with that being said being new myself i would like to bring that experience to other players (new or old) to the clan chat to let them have a welcome stay and enjoy the game in all aspects. 

 

Congratulations!

Your Application has been accepted and you have been Promoted to Recruit.


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Posted 28 November 2018 - 04:39 AM #674

Spanks
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You are a doll @EIM 1gp

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 07:52 AM #675

OneFalseStep
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Thanks @EIM 1gp

Posted 28 November 2018 - 10:32 PM #676

Revol
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Account Name (IGN) - Revol
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - Lieutenant
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - 10/12/18
 
What rank are you applying for? - Captain
 
What are your strengths? - Game knowledge, empathy, and my general understanding of others and how to handle certain situations as they arise.
Bean drawings
 
What are your weaknesses? - While I think my leniency is a strength it can also be a weakness where I let things go on for longer than I should, whereas others would have not. I've grown to trust my instincts more however and have learned to trust in the team around me. 

Farm runs. 
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I've been a part of the ICE staff team for over a month and a half now, and have truly loved every single moment of it. I've taken on different roles and responsibilities to help further progress our beloved clan, including helping write forum guides, taking on the role of Event Manager, and general day-to-day responsibilities that every staff member holds. Even when I can't be as active in-game as I would like to be, I still try my very best to be active in the discord and offer my assistance wherever it may be needed. I've grown much closer to this clan, especially those on the staff team. Not only are you guys my fellow members, But we've also become very close friends. I consider ICE my family, And I hope I've proven myself a loyal and helpful addition to this wonderful community. I will continue to uphold the standards that we have set, and strive to make this clan even better (if possible) then it already is.

Thank you guys for everything <3

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 04:35 PM #677

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Account Name (IGN) - diablo1
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - n/a
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - n/a
 
What rank are you applying for? - any one
 
What are your strengths? - everything 
 
What are your weaknesses? - what is a weakness? never heard of this before.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - because im legit as fuck.


Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:21 PM #678

Aircobra
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Account Name (IGN) - Aircobra

What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/A

When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A

What rank are you applying for? - Sergeant

What are your strengths? - Making Gains and Helping other Ice Members The Best I Can

What are your weaknesses? - Not Many Weaknesses TBH

In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I applied for this rank because i have been involved with Ice for Awhile now and im a Ex Iron Help CC member and im willing to try my best at helping others accomplish maxing their Ironmen, I Myself Have maxed An Normal Ironman and An Ultimate Ironman.

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Posted 01 December 2018 - 10:11 AM #679

Banks
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Account Name (IGN) - diablo1
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - n/a
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - n/a
 
What rank are you applying for? - any one
 
What are your strengths? - everything 
 
What are your weaknesses? - what is a weakness? never heard of this before.
 
In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - because im legit as fuck.

 

Congratulations!

Your Application has been accepted and you have been Promoted to Recruit.



Account Name (IGN) - Aircobra

What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/A

When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A

What rank are you applying for? - Sergeant

What are your strengths? - Making Gains and Helping other Ice Members The Best I Can

What are your weaknesses? - Not Many Weaknesses TBH

In a short paragraph, please explain why you feel you deserve the rank you're applying for. - I applied for this rank because i have been involved with Ice for Awhile now and im a Ex Iron Help CC member and im willing to try my best at helping others accomplish maxing their Ironmen, I Myself Have maxed An Normal Ironman and An Ultimate Ironman.

Congratulations!

Your Application has been accepted and you have been Promoted to Recruit.


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Posted 02 December 2018 - 11:58 AM #680

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Account Name (IGN) - Attribute
 
What is your current rank? (Put N/A if currently unranked) - N/A
 
When did you last apply for a rank? (Put N/A if this is your first app) - N/A
 
What rank are you applying for? - Recruit
 
What are your strengths? - I am active, experienced and I really like helping out others when needed.
 
What are your weaknesses? - Not really sure?

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