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[Silencer]

For all the PvM players in Alora, you can buy lots of options of mage items, such as kodai wand, full ancestral, full ahrims, trident, imbued heart, arcane spirit shield, ancient wyvern shield, occult necklace, tormented bracelet, toxic staff of the dead, mage book, malediction ward, master wand, eternal boots, and now, imbued mage cape.

LOTS OF OPTIONS!

Here is a list of ALL the uses for the abundance of mage gear for all the PvMers!

1. Barraging in inferno.
2. Killing Daganoth Rex.

And there you have it! Hope you enjoy the experience of using magic in Alora!

(Summary w/o sarcasm): Magic is absolutely useless in Alora PvM.

[Fapple]

Ehh, I feel like I kinda have to agree with you on this one. I really don't even use magic AT ALL. Except alching.

[Dishonest]

I mean, majority of osrs mage uses are primarily for efficient slayer exp/PvP.

The only bosses that differ from Alora are:
Zulrah: Switches are practically required to do Zulrah efficiently
Barrows: Mage barrows is still the most meta method
Kraken: You ONLY mage kraken on osrs

So essentially we're not really missing too much.
Idk why you found it necessary to address this topic without looking into where magic is used on osrs.

Magic is mainly used for PvP, both on Alora & osrs.
The problem with both Zulrah/Kraken is that BP is too overtuned that it's not even worth maging, because you can efficiently abuse bosses because of BP.
 

[Silencer]

I mean, majority of osrs mage uses are primarily for efficient slayer exp/PvP.

The only bosses that differ from Alora are:
Zulrah: Switches are practically required to do Zulrah efficiently
Barrows: Mage barrows is still the most meta method
Kraken: You ONLY mage kraken on osrs

So essentially we're not really missing too much.
Idk why you found it necessary to address this topic without looking into where magic is used on osrs.

Magic is mainly used for PvP, both on Alora & osrs.
The problem with both Zulrah/Kraken is that BP is too overtuned that it's not even worth maging, because you can efficiently abuse bosses because of BP.
 

I'm not sure how this works as a counter response. OSRS is a perfect example of how magic is useful in bossing. Zulrah is a huge deal. The best money maker in game is based primarily on your magic offensive bonus. Kraken requires magic too. Barrows as well. And by the way, I tried barrows on Alora with max magic and max melee. Max melee was way better.

[Dishonest]

I'm not sure how this works as a counter response. OSRS is a perfect example of how magic is useful in bossing. Zulrah is a huge deal. The best money maker in game is based primarily on your magic offensive bonus. Kraken requires magic too. Barrows as well. And by the way, I tried barrows on Alora with max magic and max melee. Max melee was way better.

The argument is that Alora isn't missing much in terms of magic use in PvM.
1.)The biggest thing it is missing is Zulrah. Though you can still use mage there just fine, it's just not meta due to the overtuned BP.

 

2.)Barrows CAN be done just fine with Mage on Alora, just due to how quick it is to get to barrows on RSPS, your typical osrs meta won't apply here.

The reason it is meta on osrs, is because you typically wear graceful/mort legs 4/trident & pray flick, which allows you to do many trips, versus melee/range which is faster but requires bonuses to do effectively (using trident allows you to practically 1 item). 

 

3.) Kraken can be done with range on osrs but kills will take 15x longer due to them being extremely resistant to range type attacks, therefore making range not worth.

4.) Scorpia meta is welfare monk robes + trident, otherwise you'd BP it, but if you're pked gg your darts thus making it not worth.

Overall, mage lacks usefulness in PvM in osrs in 90% of scenarios due to slower kill times. 
The reason you DO mage is typically to save money by using trident. 

I feel like you haven't ever PvM'd on RS to understand the uses, because what your suggesting is minimal.
Even if BP is to ever get nerfed, it doesn't stop the fact that melee will still be more meta in 90% of scenarios than mage ever will be, due to how teleports work.

[Silencer]

The argument is that Alora isn't missing much in terms of magic use in PvM.
1.)The biggest thing it is missing is Zulrah. Though you can still use mage there just fine, it's just not meta due to the overtuned BP.

 

2.)Barrows CAN be done just fine with Mage on Alora, just due to how quick it is to get to barrows on RSPS, your typical osrs meta won't apply here.

The reason it is meta on osrs, is because you typically wear graceful/mort legs 4/trident & pray flick, which allows you to do many trips, versus melee/range which is faster but requires bonuses to do effectively (using trident allows you to practically 1 item). 

 

3.) Kraken can be done with range on osrs but kills will take 15x longer due to them being extremely resistant to range type attacks, therefore making range not worth.

4.) Scorpia meta is welfare monk robes + trident, otherwise you'd BP it, but if you're pked gg your darts thus making it not worth.

Overall, mage lacks usefulness in PvM in osrs in 90% of scenarios due to slower kill times. 
The reason you DO mage is typically to save money by using trident. 

I feel like you haven't ever PvM'd on RS to understand the uses, because what your suggesting is minimal.
Even if BP is to ever get nerfed, it doesn't stop the fact that melee will still be more meta in 90% of scenarios than mage ever will be, due to how teleports work.

I'm 99 slayer on osrs with 2.4b bank. I know what I'm talking about. By the way, if you get pked with blowpipe, you don't lose your darts. I don't know where you got that from. Magic is super useful in osrs pvming. I used to boss and PvM a lot, and my magic gear was extremely helpful. Kraken is done by mage. I don't understand why you even mention ranging it. It's practically impossible. Also, it seems to me you've never done barrows on osrs. You go there instantly with a tab or by the arceuss spellbook teleport. No one walks all the way to barrows... The reason people mage at barrows is because all the brothers except karils have 0 mage defense, which makes magic super piercing compared to melee. Mage use in Alora PvM is nonexistent. I don't understand why you mention being able to mage "just fine" at Zulrah or whatever boss in alora, when there's an obvious easier, more convenient, faster method in which you don't mage. Even if you consider the necessity of magic in barrows, zulrah, kraken, scorpia, idk steel dragons/lava dragons, etc etc etc, to be insignificant, that does not mean that Alora is not SEVERELY lacking in magic use. I'm really quite not sure how you can defend this:

Here is a list of ALL the uses for the abundance of mage gear for all the PvMers!

1. Barraging in inferno.
2. Killing Daganoth Rex.

[Dishonest]

I'm 99 slayer on osrs with 2.4b bank. I know what I'm talking about. By the way, if you get pked with blowpipe, you don't lose your darts. I don't know where you got that from. Magic is super useful in osrs pvming. I used to boss and PvM a lot, and my magic gear was extremely helpful. Mage use in Alora PvM is nonexistent. Even if you consider the necessity of magic in barrows, zulrah, kraken, scorpia, idk steel dragons/lava dragons, etc etc etc, to be insignificant, that does not mean that Alora is not SEVERELY lacking in magic use. I'm really quite not sure how you can defend this:

Here is a list of ALL the uses for the abundance of mage gear for all the PvMers!

1. Barraging in inferno.
2. Killing Daganoth Rex.

If you're actually going to range Scorpia you're going to need to be in near max range bonus (all of which protects over BP) to make it even remotely worth using range (due to her high range def), ergo; your BP will be either your +1 or you won't be protecting it, I have no idea how you took 'he means lose darts by dying' out of that, that literally makes no sense -- If you lose your bp you lose your darts. Not to mention, ranging ANY wilderness boss is extremely costly versus using trident against them (except Chaos fanatic).
EDIT: Just went with max range bonus & rune darts to Scorpia on osrs, and I couldn't even hit her with range.


But overall the entire point of trident in pvm is because it's cheap and requires no bonuses to hit well. (on monsters who have low magic def)

Assuming you're an efficient player, you'll know that barraging certain tasks is really efficient slayer exp. 

In terms of general PvM outside of what we've listed, mage isn't used and I have no idea what sort of 'I use to PvM a lot' you did, but I can assure you magic efficiency in PvM is extremely limited in osrs by ONLY monster weaknesses and is more often used for PvP & Slayer. 

I don't what you're hoping to expect, but I can 1000% assure you magic will NEVER be the meta for anything that range/melee already meta for, simply because it's a weaker style of combat.
On Alora however, BP being overtuned is highly complemented by the fact that you can easily teleport around. For example, you could BP cerb with max range & imbued slayer helm faster than max melee & simply restock in between kills. 

Final note:
Like I have said previously, there is no way of making mage 'better' without adding those resistances to bosses.
I'm all for adding resistances to bosses, but idt in anyway would it make mage anymore useful, seeing as people will more than likely just trident everything on here as they do on osrs. 

 

[Wedz]

If you don't PK max Mage is more of a completionist goal outside inferno and Rex. To be honest you can get away with just using range for inferno as wel so really it's not even needed there. It's exactly like the Elysian - an expensive, high tier end game item that really has no use in PvM.

[Savitr]

Well while you two attempt to sound super smart and intelligent about the fundamentals of mage and PvM and how much you know, I'd just like to interject that you will never see Magic overtake blowpipe in anything on Alora.

 

Make a suggestion that possibly addresses that or how you can boost magic gear, essentially you've only lodged a complaint but not made an actual suggestion. You probably won't see a boost in Magic however because of how utterly broken it would be in PvP.

[KP]

I agree, magic doesn't need a buff, the spots that mage is used need a fix, thats all

[IronSheepDog]

support, currently mage is rather useless and as an ironman it makes me even less motivated to acquire the gear and items 

[Sigil]

For all the PvM players in Alora, you can buy lots of options of mage items, such as kodai wand, full ancestral, full ahrims, trident, imbued heart, arcane spirit shield, ancient wyvern shield, occult necklace, tormented bracelet, toxic staff of the dead, mage book, malediction ward, master wand, eternal boots, and now, imbued mage cape.
LOTS OF OPTIONS!
Here is a list of ALL the uses for the abundance of mage gear for all the PvMers!
1. Barraging in inferno.
2. Killing Daganoth Rex.
And there you have it! Hope you enjoy the experience of using magic in Alora!
(Summary w/o sarcasm): Magic is absolutely useless in Alora PvM.

I 100% agree with this I would like to see it change although you forgot people mage kraken but still there's 3 options that's not nearly enough zulrah could be changed as well as raids like they're supposed to be it shouldn't be a blowpipe + rigour and void beats anything

[Aster]

You're ignoring how useful blood barrage actually is. And it may have no use in PVM but has plenty in PVP.

[Dante]

Although mage seems under-used there isn't really a lot of places that magic seems useful. I know on OSRS there are only a handful of places the majority of people use mage over range or melee. Most of the magic use is either when people alch during agility or burst for 99 magic.

 

I think that magic in Alora is very useful and doesn't need a nerf/buff, it's just not as superior as range is right now.

 

Also in this suggestion thread, you are really vague and I didn't really understand what your exact suggestion was so I suggest making it more clear either in this thread or next time.

[Hot Cakes]

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