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[Crooks]

Harassment

Attacking someone nonstop for a few hours because they're killing skillers for PKP and making skillers want to quit.

People attacking skillers nonstop forcing them to pay a fee to use wilderness spots.

both would classify as harassment if this is the case and both are considered ragging if this is the case. constantly attacking someone which is what ragging is

ragging is directed at a specific individual when theyre in the wilderness until they leave.

How about the staff team all say their thoughts on this because from what ive heard within the staff team its just @uTorrent (s) buddies whining about it.

with warm welcoming @Blank address the situation in good format if you could! and staff please feel free to chime in!


edit: keep it on topic and dont let your emotions get in the way xoxo #cstep leader daily

[Syntax]

Skillers choose to skill in the wilderness for bonus exp, they don't have to, I have no issues as a skiller when someone attacks me constantly, nor do I have any sympathy for skillers who complain about it

 

Pkers can only pk in the wilderness.

 

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Give me a few reasons why it's beneficial for the server to have players risking nothing and attack pkers (often for multiple hours a day, multiple days a week) who have real intentions of killing people, both with teamwork, and high wealth risk to dish out different forms of damage etc.

 

Ragging as a lifestyle isn't good for the server, there's a reason why people who rag on osrs get perm banned for doing this (granted it's only when they do it to streamers usually)

[Crooks]

Skillers choose to skill in the wilderness for bonus exp, they don''t have to.

Pkers can only pk in the wilderness...

pvp exists within many other places such as duel arena ffa and battle royale with wages and rewards for incentives.


edit : regardless the bigger picture is @Syntax is that players are "quitting" apparently if thats the reason to ban ragging you might as well ban people from constantly targetting people that are skilling and doing other activites within the wilderness because that would fall under harassment and if you'd like to rebuttal with "thats the caution they should take for going into the wilderness" then apply that same logic to people whom are getting ragged sir.

edit towards response : it is a hierarchy system, think of it as a food chain sir. The intention is always to kill granted its challenging due to the fact of the armor tier system and protect prayers.

[Cam Only]

I agree on this 100%, that is ragging! I support

[Miss Sara]

I agree on this topic, because people shouldn't be attacking the same people over and over and forcing them to pay up.

 

 

 

 

~Sara

[Syntax]

pvp exists within many other places such as duel arena ffa and battle royale with wages and rewards for incentives.


edit : regardless the bigger picture is @Syntax is that players are "quitting" apparently if thats the reason to ban ragging you might as well ban people from constantly targetting people that are skilling and doing other activites within the wilderness because that would fall under harassment and if you'd like to rebuttal with "thats the caution they should take for going into the wilderness" then apply that same logic to people whom are getting ragged sir.

Dueling/Clan wars/battle royal are all minigames, lets not compare apples and oranges

 

I've stated in my response a deeper explanation, feel free to re-read

[Crooks]

Dueling/Clan wars/battle royal are all minigames, lets not compare apples and oranges
 
I've stated in my response a deeper explanation, feel free to re-read

I dont believe they're considered to be apple and oranges because they fall under the main category of PVP, if that is the fact that i'm comparing apples to oranges then attacking skillers constantly (ragging) them for a fee is an apple in regards to ragging (what we do)
and should be banned as well because it falls under the preset Alora-mind idea of harassment.

[Syntax]

I dont believe they're considered to be apple and oranges because they fall under the main category of PVP, if that is the fact that i'm comparing apples to oranges then attacking skillers constantly (ragging) them for a fee is an apple in regards to ragging (what we do)
and should be banned as well because it falls under the preset Alora-mind idea of harassment.

It's not harassment at all, skillers may freely train anywhere they please. Alora offers bonus exp for them in the deep wilderness (past level 25) and they willingly choose to do so.

[Crooks]

It's not harassment at all, skillers may freely train anywhere they please. Alora offers bonus exp for them in the deep wilderness (past level 25) and they willingly choose to do so.

as i've stated above in a previous post which i'm going to pre-assume you didn't catch or read because you have repeated yourself.

 

[Daltino]

Skillers choose to skill in the wilderness for bonus exp, they don't have to, I have no issues as a skiller when someone attacks me constantly, nor do I have any sympathy for skillers who complain about it

 

Pkers can only pk in the wilderness.

 

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Give me a few reasons why it's beneficial for the server to have players risking nothing and attack pkers (often for multiple hours a day, multiple days a week) who have real intentions of killing people, both with teamwork, and high wealth risk to dish out different forms of damage etc.

 

Ragging as a lifestyle isn't good for the server, there's a reason why people who rag on osrs get perm banned for doing this (granted it's only when they do it to streamers usually)

I have legit had people tell me that they will not off me until I pay them(kinda ragging u know)

 

I support this thread.

[uTorrent]

How about the staff team all say their thoughts on this because from what ive heard within the staff team its just @uTorrent (s) buddies whining about it.

 

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[Syntax]

as i've stated above in a previous post which i'm going to pre-assume you didn't catch or read because you have repeated yourself.

 

I've read everything you've written, you're the one repeating yourself.

 

You've yet to list any reasons why it's beneficial to the growth of the server, apart from being able to rag pkers who are killing skillers. My return was that skillers are in the wilderness - they should expect an inherent danger in doing so, or else there would be no reason for their to be bonus experience.

 

This is a singular world server, at least on osrs players can hop around worlds to avoid a player who sits at mage bank lever all day purposely trying to prevent people from pking.

 

Who in there right mind would want to pk on a server where players camp magebank area etc. just to rag them. This is the very reason rules like this are set in place. I've also brought up the fact osrs takes measures to avoid raggers who rag as a lifestyle.

 

If you want to have a productive conversation, address specifically why it's beneficial to Alora - apart from protecting skillers, or attacking pkers who kill skillers

[Crooks]

How about the staff team all say their thoughts on this because from what ive heard within the staff team its just @uTorrent (s) buddies whining about it.

 

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Based on what i've heard and speculation on your relationship with members of DP and #lads it seems as if there is some favouritism.

 

Maybe i'm wrong maybe my intuition isn't correct hopefully it isn't correct because I like you as an individual until reoccuring patterns happen which push me to believe this intuition I have.

 

Please remember that this is to be cordial and no emotion(s) attached onto it do not take it personally as you are rule-maker and i'm just trying to make sense of how constantly terrorizing people within the wilderness (constantly attacking them making them pay) is allowed but ragging is not despite it being the same thing.

 

Thank-you for responding and acknowledging this post with a "?" it's very important that the staff of Alora respond to this with all of their thoughts directed at this topic.

 

 

 

I've read everything you've written, you're the one repeating yourself.

 

You've yet to list any reasons why it's beneficial to the growth of the server, apart from providing some sort of good duty to the skillers who are being pked.

 

I'm only repeating myself because you are.... but okay

 

The wilderness is not a place where you depict whats beneficial for garnering players to enhance the growth of the server the wilderness since RSC has always had a negative connotation towards it because it is what in the real world would be seen as violence(?) so there is no postitive connotation applied onto PVP other then having people participating in PVP. For example - I like to pk in full torags and a crystal shield and i'm told to gear up "properly" as if their is a meta or perhaps i'm protecting melee the whole fight OR safing. Nobody should be allowed to tell me what i'm allowed to wear whilst in the wilderness because it is an unsanctioned area. The wilderness was created with no rules unless verbal slurs are being thrown around. There is a reason why the Duel Arena was created and it wasn't created based on staking it was created to have a sanctioned fight versus who they want based on the terms they want whining about being attacked due to your decision of entering the wilderness is ridiculous by entering you've accepted any and all risks.

 

@syntax 

[uTorrent]

I mean when people tag me and say that I'm whining I'll gladly post a question mark.. If you're referencing the whole "utorrent is my friend he'll ban you" thing people keep doing then it's not exactly accurate considering the only time I talk to most of them is when they need help with something or if I ask someone like Kha zix for an inventory setup picture..

 

When we were deciding on how the rule should go, I said that it should be enforced in the entire wilderness but only when a player is purposely preventing another player from PvP. When Pkers who actually want to kill people (rather than just sit and attack a guy for 30 minutes with only a ZGS) are prevented from doing what they came to Alora to do, they leave. Yes, we have minigames like BR that some of these PKers come to, but in the end of the day it's a minigame that happens at most once a day for 30 minutes or so. When a skiller enters deep wildy, they do it for the bonus EXP. They can easily move to a safer area and skill in peace. 

 

The reason we have bonus EXP and exclusive skilling/pvm content in the wilderness is to get more activity in the wilderness which is seen as the risk versus reward part of the wilderness for them. I've never heard of a skiller leaving Alora because they can't skill in the wilderness, but I do hear a lot of Pkers quitting because they aren't able to PK in the wilderness due to raggers.

[Crooks]

I mean when people tag me and say that I'm whining I'll gladly post a question mark.. If you're referencing the whole "utorrent is my friend he'll ban you" thing people keep doing then it's not exactly accurate considering the only time I talk to most of them is when they need help with something or if I ask someone like Kha zix for an inventory setup picture..

 

When we were deciding on how the rule should go, I said that it should be enforced in the entire wilderness but only when a player is purposely preventing another player from PvP. When Pkers who actually want to kill people (rather than just sit and attack a guy for 30 minutes with only a ZGS) are prevented from doing what they came to Alora to do, they leave. Yes, we have minigames like BR that some of these PKers come to, but in the end of the day it's a minigame that happens at most once a day for 30 minutes or so. When a skiller enters deep wildy, they do it for the bonus EXP. They can easily move to a safer area and skill in peace. 

 

The reason we have bonus EXP and exclusive skilling/pvm content in the wilderness is to get more activity in the wilderness which is seen as the risk versus reward part of the wilderness for them. I've never heard of a skiller leaving Alora because they can't skill in the wilderness, but I do hear a lot of Pkers quitting because they aren't able to PK in the wilderness due to raggers.

You read my statement incorrectly but i must note it was poorly worded due to the "buddies" part I added - I never said you whine I said your clan-friends whined by blackmailing you into saying they'd quit the server. So I've addressed some of what you have said here above in a quote to syntax where i'm also quoting you. If you could please read through that passage i've written.

 

 

Pkers quitting because they aren't able to pk though many other PVP-related options are available for a sanctioned match-up as stated in the quote above where I quote both you and syntax.

 

Skillers quitting because they're being harassed and forced to pay their money.

 

 

Yes both exist however one is banned.

 

per-example

 

[Syntax]

uTorrent, and I have answered you Daily, the rule was put into place to allow pkers to pk without being ragged. If they attack skillers, then so be it - skillers know there's an inherent risk to choosing to take part in the deep wilderness.

 

We've answered that the other methods you list for "pking" are minigame related (clan wars, duel arena, battle royal) - again apples and oranges.

 

The only argument which holds any water is that the wilderness should have 0 rules, however we've already had xlogging as a rule in the wilderness, so it's not like it's some "wilderness rule creep" and you never seemed to have a problem with that.

 

You also decided to mention forcing the "meta" but we've seen other games do things similarly - consider league of legends, the most played video game in the entire world. The main game mode requires you to queue up for roles now.

[Mourinho]

uTorrent, and I have answered you Daily, the rule was put into place to allow pkers to pk without being ragged. If they attack skillers, then so be it - skillers know there's an inherent risk to choosing to take part in the deep wilderness.

 

We've answered that the other methods you list for "pking" are minigame related (clan wars, duel arena, battle royal) - again apples and oranges.

 

The only argument which holds any water is that the wilderness should have 0 rules, however we've already had xlogging as a rule in the wilderness, so it's not like it's some "wilderness rule creep" and you never seemed to have a problem with that.

 

You also decided to mention forcing the "meta" but we've seen other games do things similarly - consider league of legends, the most played video game in the entire world. The main game mode requires you to queue up for roles now.

Everything you assert is utterly extraneous this has no connotation.

[Syntax]

Everything you assert is utterly extraneous this has no connotation.

same

[Crooks]

uTorrent, and I have answered you @Daily, the rule was put into place to allow pkers to pk without being ragged. If they attack skillers, then so be it - skillers know there's an inherent risk to choosing to take part in the deep wilderness.

 

We've answered that the other methods you list for "pking" are minigame related (clan wars, duel arena, battle royal) - again apples and oranges.

 

The only argument which holds any water is that the wilderness should have 0 rules, however we've already had xlogging as a rule in the wilderness, so it's not like it's some "wilderness rule creep" and you never seemed to have a problem with that.

 

You also decided to mention forcing the "meta" but we've seen other games do things similarly - consider league of legends, the most played video game in the entire world. The main game mode requires you to queue up for roles now..

 

 

it's subjective to not put them in the same category as it's subjective to put them in the same category because the objective is the same - to win and be the last one alive which would be depicted as a valid argument so to you apple and oranges - to me not so much. 

 

xlogging isn't anywhere close to the argument of PVP vs skillers vs pkers vs raggers so there isn't much reasoning to bring that up to back up your argument because that focuses less on the PVP aspect and more on the gamble of my items being lost factor.

 

And as you've decided to bring in league of legends even though this isn't even anywhere close to being comparable at all towards runescape in any way shape or form of playstyle due to intriciate styles of gameplay that many cannot describe.

 

League of Legends doesn't have a meta that you specifically have to follow, it has guidelines in which role you'd like to play by - runescape doesn't have lane assignments or roles. Moreover the fact that you've decided to bring up League of Legends into this conversation is mind-boggling because it has zero correlation to this topic of ragging other then that it is a game - in League of Legends nobody is stopping you from playing whatever you want, queuing up for roles is used because that is the method of gameplay that is currently in effect and the main focus and primary aspect of the game is completely different. Runescape doesn't have a meta and never will because of the resources, NPC(s), and terrain within the wilderness. 

 

And as you have repeated once again for probably the 3rd or so time there is always a risk within entering the wilderness which is why ragging shouldn't be banned because you are taking that risk by entering the wilderness of being attacked.

 

However let me ask you a question, are these two incidents considered harassment?

 

incident ( a ) - attacking someone who is in the wilderness not fighting anybody consistently.

 

incident ( b ) - attacking someone who is skilling or bossing & demanding a fee in the wilderness consistently.

 

 

 

same

I mean he isn't wrong - a lot of your argument introducing league of legends into the conversation is irrelevant and counter-productive to human-like realization. 

[Syntax]

(my views represent my own opinions, not the staff teams) - not to mention this is the spam forum.

 

I have no issues with a player demanding someone pay a fee to skill in the wilderness, that player can skill freely anywhere else in Alora at any point, they specifically go there because they want the bonus experience. I buy vote books at 2m ea just for an hour of bonus exp, if I felt the cost to skill was worth it, I would pay the pker for protection.

 

Think of it like bodyguards being paid to protect said person/place - Your counter argument will be that you're protecting skillers - but the rebuttal will, and always will be that skillers can skill anywhere, there's a premium to skiling in the wilderness.

 

Again, the other forms of pvp on Alora, are event/minigame based

 

Your wording for "incident a" is a loaded statement - in that you try to frame the pker, "not fighting anybody consistently", I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Why should I be interested in supporting someone 1 item crystal bowing a pker risking high amounts and activley trying to kill people in an effective manner, only to be griefed for hours on end.

 

The goal here is to grow the PVP community, not allow a select few players to rag and try to eliminate such players. You'll even see pvp videos with high risks being advertised for both Alora, and other RSPS' - no one wants to see someone running around in a crystal bow 1 iteming people for hours on end.

 

TLDR - I don't mind skillers getting killed/focused/ or even a pker letting people skill for payments

I do mind players ragging pkers in the wilderness

 

Sidenote: league does actually crack down on certain extreme cases in league, as can be seen here https://www.reddit.c...fpq&sh=0b954d6b