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[Real Alan]

This is incorrect. Just because this is the first time you broke 1 rule doesnt mean that any previous rule breakings aren't considered in punishment.

 

 

Here's the IRL equivalent of what you're saying... 

Gets caught J walking across the street in 2024 and gets sent to jail because he got pulled over for speeding and DUI back in 2020.

Fair according to Selenagomez logic 

[Yautja]

Alan is cringe but to gain is worse :)

[Selenagomez]

 

 

Here's the IRL equivalent of what you're saying... 

Gets caught J walking across the street in 2024 and gets sent to jail because he got pulled over for speeding and DUI back in 2020.

Fair according to Selenagomez logic 

 

 

 

 

Here's the IRL equivalent of what you're saying... 

Gets caught J walking across the street in 2024 and gets sent to jail because he got pulled over for speeding and DUI back in 2020.

Fair according to Selenagomez logic 

 

 

Since you wanted to bring irl into this... wanna try again?

[KP]

Right message wrong messenger. You clearly provoked someone that doesn't hesitate on abusing every inch of power and display every bit of arrogance and hypocrisy he possesses.You literally fucked around and found out. Maybe Real Alan should chill first, for a few years now. As for to Gain, I don't know who he has on a chokehold on the staff team but he can teleport away from any bad situation ( if you know, you know).

[Real Alan]

Right message wrong messenger. You clearly provoked someone that doesn't hesitate on abusing every inch of power and display every bit of arrogance and hypocrisy he possesses.You literally fucked around and found out. Maybe Real Alan should chill first, for a few years now. As for to Gain, I don't know who he has on a chokehold on the staff team but he can teleport away from any bad situation ( if you know, you know).

 

No idea wtf you're talking about, but a policeman that's able to teleport away from any bad situation combined with a tendency to abuse power.... 

That sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

"Someone that doesn't hesitate on abusing every inch of power?"  -> major red flag for someone who shouldn't be in power

 

As for your suggestion to chill... 

I'm just a player.  I can play Alora however the fk I want to as long as I abide by the rules.

 

Gain, on the other hand, is an admin.  He needs to keep his power in check. 

His power tripping has been turning off many people in the community. 

They just aren't as vocal about it.  

 

Players are the guests here on Alora.  Staff are the servants. 

That's why they start off as server support.  They're in the service industry and need to remember that.  

[Tauri]

Hi!

 

In this very case, my permission was asked in dealing with the matter and I told the team to feel free to handle it the way it was handled.

 

So you might ask why: I do not care who is the owner of such names, but I do care about having clean environment and keeping my staff members protected from attention-seekers who lack creativity and can not think of any other names than "To gain". Nobody was offended by the name, but I saw it as inappropriate (as did other staff members) and therefore this name does not exist in the game as of now.

 

Also, when I gave that permission, I knew exactly that this topic is going to happen, and I still gave the permission, just because all YOUR problems with the staff team are created by none other than YOURSELF. 

 

Also to people who are curious about how the inappropriate names are handled: The accounts will be banned initially and upon appeal they will be instructed to a name change, we do not make any exceptions because of the name owner was the one who has a tendency to make forum topics.

 

All in all, thank you for your feedback! 

 

Also I like posting pictures so I will post one:

 

 

 

This topic will remain open until there is going to be any posts harrassing or flamebaiting anyone.

 

Take care!

[Selenagomez]

Hi!

 

In this very case, my permission was asked in dealing with the matter and I told the team to feel free to handle it the way it was handled.

 

So you might ask why: I do not care who is the owner of such names, but I do care about having clean environment and keeping my staff members protected from attention-seekers who lack creativity and can not think of any other names than "To gain". Nobody was offended by the name, but I saw it as inappropriate (as did other staff members) and therefore this name does not exist in the game as of now.

 

Also, when I gave that permission, I knew exactly that this topic is going to happen, and I still gave the permission, just because all YOUR problems with the staff team are created by none other than YOURSELF. 

 

Also to people who are curious about how the inappropriate names are handled: The accounts will be banned initially and upon appeal they will be instructed to a name change, we do not make any exceptions because of the name owner was the one who has a tendency to make forum topics.

 

All in all, thank you for your feedback! 

 

Also I like posting pictures so I will post one:

 

 

 

This topic will remain open until there is going to be any posts harrassing or flamebaiting anyone.

 

Take care!

W tauri post, also double W for using #FAFO

[Variant]

Hi!

In this very case, my permission was asked in dealing with the matter and I told the team to feel free to handle it the way it was handled.

So you might ask why: I do not care who is the owner of such names, but I do care about having clean environment and keeping my staff members protected from attention-seekers who lack creativity and can not think of any other names than "To gain". Nobody was offended by the name, but I saw it as inappropriate (as did other staff members) and therefore this name does not exist in the game as of now.

Also, when I gave that permission, I knew exactly that this topic is going to happen, and I still gave the permission, just because all YOUR problems with the staff team are created by none other than YOURSELF.

Also to people who are curious about how the inappropriate names are handled: The accounts will be banned initially and upon appeal they will be instructed to a name change, we do not make any exceptions because of the name owner was the one who has a tendency to make forum topics.

All in all, thank you for your feedback!

Also I like posting pictures so I will post one:




This topic will remain open until there is going to be any posts harrassing or flamebaiting anyone.

Take care!

Hey Tauri, so can you give some explanation on what is an offensive name? Because I don’t see how basically “fuck to gain” is offensive but y’all allow players using the N word in their name, we have “black bitch”, “autism one, two, three, etc”, people referencing drinking cum, and people referencing retard in multiple ways. Of course this, and all the other names, are seeking attention by trying to make it as vile as possible, but I’m sure saying fuck a staff member is hardly keeping anything clean compared to the other names which are MUCH more offensive. If someone’s skin is thin enough to need “protection” from minor criticism (which has been fairly earned throughout the years from my understanding) then just maybe they aren’t fit to hold the kind of power an admin has… you’re saying no one was offended, yet they brought it to YOUR attention, so clearly someone was offended enough to think they need to have your input before doing what they clearly wanted to do, which was to ban Alan. Maybe it’s a bad taste that Alan of all people was the messenger, but like crohn said, it shouldn’t be against the rules to be cringe.

[Scorn]

I think Tauri mentioned something very specific about having a "clean" environment.

 

I totally agree to this and am all up for it but it has to be consistent. As mentioned by Variant, there are people with insensitive usernames that have been roaming without an issue. So why suddenly this?

 

Be consistent and ban all the other names that are clearly not adhering to this clean environment that we strive to have.

[Tauri]

Hey Tauri, so can you give some explanation on what is an offensive name? Because I don’t see how basically “fuck to gain” is offensive but y’all allow players using the N word in their name, we have “black bitch”, “autism one, two, three, etc”, people referencing drinking cum, and people referencing retard in multiple ways. Of course this, and all the other names, are seeking attention by trying to make it as vile as possible, but I’m sure saying fuck a staff member is hardly keeping anything clean compared to the other names which are MUCH more offensive. If someone’s skin is thin enough to need “protection” from minor criticism (which has been fairly earned throughout the years from my understanding) then just maybe they aren’t fit to hold the kind of power an admin has… you’re saying no one was offended, yet they brought it to YOUR attention, so clearly someone was offended enough to think they need to have your input before doing what they clearly wanted to do, which was to ban Alan. Maybe it’s a bad taste that Alan of all people was the messenger, but like crohn said, it shouldn’t be against the rules to be cringe.

 

Hi Variant! Sure, I can give some explanation about offensive names and how we are approaching to this.

 

So, offensive names mostly are racist or target another player in whatever malicious intention (attention, defamation etc.). Thankfully it is very likely that a non-staff member is targeted with any usernames (even though that has happened recently), but for example if we see that someone was to choose an username along the lines of "Fuck Variant" for example, we would not reach out to you and ask you if that offends you or not, we would still deal with the account name.

 

There are some usernames, that as you said, could be considered offensive. I do agree with your point, but now even though we could see intention of the username, we would not opt to ban the username (for example I saw an account called "im restarted" yesterday and if I was to ban him because of the name, then it would raise more concerns than the current topic). But overall, yeah some names (not the one used as an example IMO) should not belong to the game and I'll have a look of what we can possibly do in order to prevent that.

 

It was brought to my attention (and other staff members), because sometimes people can ask for different perspectives and then work our way to the middle ground. Currently I am thankful that it was brought to my attention, saves me an hour or two looking further into it and trying to understand the details (which I already know because I was part of the decision made). I think it is normal that those things are brought to my attention, don't you?

 

It is not about whether someone got hurt or someone needs to protected, this same thing would apply if someone targeted a non-staff member with offensive usernames. Unfortunately, our eyes are not everywhere in the game when it comes to those matters, so we also rely on reports by players in regards to offensive usernames.

 

I hope you got the answers you asked for, if not feel free to let me know.

 

Take care!

[Variant]

Hi Variant! Sure, I can give some explanation about offensive names and how we are approaching to this.

 

So, offensive names mostly are racist or target another player in whatever malicious intention (attention, defamation etc.). Thankfully it is very likely that a non-staff member is targeted with any usernames (even though that has happened recently), but for example if we see that someone was to choose an username along the lines of "Fuck Variant" for example, we would not reach out to you and ask you if that offends you or not, we would still deal with the account name.

 

There are some usernames, that as you said, could be considered offensive. I do agree with your point, but now even though we could see intention of the username, we would not opt to ban the username (for example I saw an account called "im restarted" yesterday and if I was to ban him because of the name, then it would raise more concerns than the current topic). But overall, yeah some names (not the one used as an example IMO) should not belong to the game and I'll have a look of what we can possibly do in order to prevent that.

 

It was brought to my attention (and other staff members), because sometimes people can ask for different perspectives and then work our way to the middle ground. Currently I am thankful that it was brought to my attention, saves me an hour or two looking further into it and trying to understand the details (which I already know because I was part of the decision made). I think it is normal that those things are brought to my attention, don't you?

 

It is not about whether someone got hurt or someone needs to protected, this same thing would apply if someone targeted a non-staff member with offensive usernames. Unfortunately, our eyes are not everywhere in the game when it comes to those matters, so we also rely on reports by players in regards to offensive usernames.

 

I hope you got the answers you asked for, if not feel free to let me know.

 

Take care!

You clearly stated offensive names can be racist, yet allowed a name like 'realniggaz' and 'black bitch', both of which have been reported and seen by staff online and nothing was done, so sure me making an acc named 'im restarted' which could reference retarded, or just restarting an acc cuz its a new game mode, is minor in comparison.

 

So working a way to a middle ground with calm heads was to just ban him? I get the current appeal system as you mentioned, which is reasonable in normal circumstances, but on a time based competitive game mode, with irl prizes on the line, and he was willing to donate irl (assuming from his previous statement) I personally think this was poorly handled and a 5 minute conversation in game and requesting he changes the name would have sufficed. Maybe we just wont see eye to eye with this decision, and that's fine, I just don't see how banning him outright and removing all his progress and donator status could possibly be seen as the right move.

 

Of course anything can be brought to your attention, doesn't mean everything should be, example they aren't asking you what they should do if someone is spamming in edge, or having a temper tantrum in game, you'd be bombarded 24/7. I would assume the staff team as low as mod tier should be confident enough in their decision making for something so minor to be taken care of and not have to be blown out of proportion or made a rash decision on (although clearly imo that even with your involvement the wrong decision was made regardless).

 

I mean I really don't have a horse in this race, but I'm just pointing out that these examples of what seems like rash decision making, compiled over the years, is what gives players a bad taste in their mouths when it comes to the alora staff team. I personally would like to see the teams PR elevated, but it's like y'all shoot yourselves in the foot anytime youre given the opportunity to have a loaded gun in your hand (such as cringe alan, a known "fuck staff" enthusiast, making a clear bait account and just prooving why he consistantly has this opinion because rash decisions like this are made)

[Real Alan]

Wow!  Variant being the voice of reason!  

Come on staff, you can do better than that

 

Does it really matter who sends the message, if the message just gets ignored on the other side? 

Staff are way worse at taking feedback than players.  

 

Rather than accept they may not have handled something in the best way, they double down on their ridiculous logic.  

 

[villandrea]

ye im starting to get real sick of the power tripping by some of the staff members on alora. im still banned from alora discord and nobodys even given me a reason why, just left me on read.

i also find the name tauri offensive, therefore the staff should take my feelings seriously and force him to change his name or better yet ban him. (clearlly a joke) but my point is everyone finds SOMETHING offensive, how do you differentiate which ones are legit and which ones are laughable, who decides?

[desist]

I think everyone in this thread is great! Thank you for such an exciting read!

[Selenagomez]

You clearly stated offensive names can be racist, yet allowed a name like 'realniggaz' and 'black bitch', 

 

 

I can't see how you believe these are racist. While I agree theres no reason for the N word to be used anywhere in alora.io  I can't see how this name is racist, its a word and hes describing himself grow up. its like if a rapper called him self a real n... "oh my god hes racist!!!!"

 

Black bitch, again self describing... some girl online "im a strong black female that dont need no man"    "oh wow she called herself black... must be RACIST!!!!"

[Variant]

I can't see how you believe these are racist. While I agree theres no reason for the N word to be used anywhere in alora.io  I can't see how this name is racist, its a word and hes describing himself grow up. its like if a rapper called him self a real n... "oh my god hes racist!!!!"

 

Black bitch, again self describing... some girl online "im a strong black female that dont need no man"    "oh wow she called herself black... must be RACIST!!!!"

your thought process is literally not even worth a response, this is the most you're gana get from me

[Selenagomez]

2/2 arguements won in this thread.

[Variant]

2/2 arguements won in this thread.

your problem is thinking there's a 'win' to this discussion, i just wont roll around in shit with pigs

[SCIM Tamber]

This is very good content, thanks everyone. I can’t wait for part 5.

for example if we see that someone was to choose an username along the lines of "Fuck Variant" for example

Stop giving @ Selenagomez ideas

[Fe Santa]

I have seen you provoke To Gain numerous times throughout my time here. This behaviour was clearly the tipping point, leading to the subsequent punishment.

 

You and others must see the broader context instead of focusing solely on a single situation.

 

In the future, set aside your ego and use the staff reports section or reach out to Tauri directly, instead of inundating the public forum with needless and immature drama.